The divine as nothing outside or beyond us but still godly is something I can get. In a moment of why not, I took part in a ritual summoning in Bali years ago. In that ritual at least it was clear it I was bringing forth a part of me that I might not normally be able or willing to have so present. I rather like the idea that Inside Out is the story of a pantheon.
On Thu, 2 May 2024, 18:18 Shoba Narayan via Silklist, < [email protected]> wrote: > Heather > I loved your take on goddess/god. It mirrors mine. > To your take I would add my two cents. I had/have a problem with all > faiths because they are full of petty hypocrisies, unfriendly to women, and > have caused great destruction often carried out in their name. > > But some of our richest myths, literature, music, beauty and art also > comes from faith. So I stand like Trishanku trying still to figure it out. > > > On 2 May 2024, at 9:30 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > > > Send Silklist mailing list submissions to > > [email protected] > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://mailman.panix.com/listinfo.cgi/silklist > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > [email protected] > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > [email protected] > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Silklist digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: Can you change your mind, really? (Alaric Snell-Pym) > > 2. Re: Can you change your mind, really? (Heather Madrone) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Wed, 1 May 2024 17:22:10 +0100 > > From: Alaric Snell-Pym <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [Silk] Can you change your mind, really? > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" > > > > On 01/05/2024 12:33, Manar Hussain via Silklist wrote: > > > >>>>> About the existence of a God. I'm an atheist. > >>>> > >>>> What would count as "sufficient evidence" for you in this context? > > [...] > >>> I suppose if I define God as an agent with the power to perform magic, > >>> then I could be convinced of His (or Her or Their) existence, but that > >>> might fall well short of a desire to offer worship. > >>> > >> > >> What convinces you to be an atheist as opposed to agnostic? > >> > > > > Well, if I may butt in... > > > > As a dedicated fence-sitter and avoider of strong beliefs about > > anything, I am indeed agnostic: sure, there could be some kind of god > > out there, nobody can prove otherwise. > > > > However, in practice, that is effectively an atheistic position; it's > > basically saying that there's no evidence of a god existing in any way > > that might affect me (otherwise, that effect would be evidence), so if > > there is a god they're (currently / so far) irrelevant to my life, so > > I'm living as if there's no god. > > > > In practice, I think the difference between an agnostic person > > (...agnostist?) and an atheist is zero, until a god (or indirect > > evidence thereof) turns up, at which point the agnostic goes "Huh, > > interesting, OK" and the atheist goes "Noooooo!". > > > > -- > > Alaric Snell-Pym (M0KTN ne? M7KIT) > > http://www.snell-pym.org.uk/alaric/ > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: OpenPGP_signature.asc > > Type: application/pgp-signature > > Size: 665 bytes > > Desc: OpenPGP digital signature > > URL: < > https://mailman.panix.com/pipermail/silklist/attachments/20240501/9819278a/attachment.bin > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Wed, 1 May 2024 11:41:15 -0700 > > From: Heather Madrone <[email protected]> > > To: Intelligent conversation <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [Silk] Can you change your mind, really? > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > > > Alaric Snell-Pym via Silklist wrote on 5/1/24 9:22 AM: > >> On 01/05/2024 12:33, Manar Hussain via Silklist wrote: > >> > >>>>>> About the existence of a God. I'm an atheist. > >>>>> > >>>>> What would count as "sufficient evidence" for you in this context? > >> [...] > >>>> I suppose if I define God as an agent with the power to perform magic, > >>>> then I could be convinced of His (or Her or Their) existence, but that > >>>> might fall well short of a desire to offer worship. > >>>> > >>> > >>> What convinces you to be an atheist as opposed to agnostic? > >>> > >> > >> Well, if I may butt in... > >> > >> As a dedicated fence-sitter and avoider of strong beliefs about > >> anything, I am indeed agnostic: sure, there could be some kind of god > >> out there, nobody can prove otherwise. > > > > Or there may, as I once read on an explanatory plaque at an ancient > > Hawaiian heiau that now lies under lava, be an infinite number of gods. > > > > I didn't really understand the belief in gods until I saw Kilauea erupt. > > After that, I understood the belief in Madam Pele at a gut level, and > > came to see the whole notion of gods as convenient mental shorthands for > > forces beyond human ken. > > > > For the Hawaiians, caught between the volcano and the open ocean, seeing > > their world as existing as a battle between Madam Pele and her sister Na > > Maka made a huge amount of sense. > > > > I don't believe there are literal, concrete gods anywhere, but I feel > > free to use the metaphorical gods any time they are convenient. If I'm > > in San Francisco traffic looking for a parking place, the "Hail Hypatia, > > full of grace, help me find a parking space" prayer might not do > > actually do any good, but it does calm me down. > > > > I find it useful to view the Sun, the Moon, major hurricanes, and > > earthquakes as gods and address them in poetry and song. > > > > If gods are a creation of the human brain, I can posit as many as I need > > to work with the god-shaped hole in the human psyche. They might not do > > a single thing about the objective world out there, but millennia of > > culture have given them a huge amount of psychological power in the > > human animal. > > > > > > -- > > Heather Madrone ([email protected]) > > Blog: http://www.knitfitter.com/category/personal/ > > http://sheltershock.thecomicseries.com > > > > The Goddess moves mountains -- bring a shovel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Subject: Digest Footer > > > > Silklist mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://mailman.panix.com/listinfo.cgi/silklist > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of Silklist Digest, Vol 16, Issue 2 > > *************************************** > -- > Silklist mailing list > [email protected] > https://mailman.panix.com/listinfo.cgi/silklist >
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