On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 12:51:24AM +0530, . wrote:
> Do you thrust your hand into the fire to experience burning
> first-hand? If not, I trust the words of someone who has experienced
> it first-hand.

no, but i prefer people who've experienced fire first hand to suggest burning.

> > i don't think the kashmiri gun bothers a subsistence farmer in bihar.
> 
> ahem, i thought we were discussing Kashmir, not Bihar (which deserves
> a separate thread, especially devoted to its political first family.).

no, we were talking about what's important for indians, or at least i and the 
original article were.  i made the point that political boundaries 500 km away 
were probably less important than feeding ones family to most indians, and 
responded to your later comment about being bothered by guns by noting that 
kashmiri guns are not the obstacle to most indians quest for food and shelter. 
well, except when some indians would like to divert resources towards sending 
more guns to kashmir.

> THEM !!? - that is the moot point. Part of the "them" has been driven
> out of Kashmir and turned into refugees in their own country, a
> reality which nobody wants to accept. Or perhaps because its easier to
> pretend and look the other way.

that's totally different from having a tiny vocal minority of indians decide 
for kashmiris what to do. in most cases of elections and referendums after 
conflictthe needs of refugees has been an important issue, and addressed by 
including them in elections and referendums. kashmiri pandits have much better 
documented claims to the lands they fled than refugees in many other 
situations. having them participate in referendums would be the way to go if 
_they_ were the concern. 

-r


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