############################################################################### John 3:5 "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
Greetings Maxwell, On Fri, 6 Jun 1997, Maxwell wrote: > It seems appropiate to throw in some feedback here. > > I am from the Cancer Information and Support Society in Sydney, > Australia. We have been investigating the use of CS on behalf of our > members. Welcome, Max! You would probably like the book written by Dr.Robert Becker entitled ""THE BODY ELECTRIC"". His work with cancer was most interesting. He claims that with the use of silver, the cancer cells actually cnanged back to normal cells. > I have been making the 30v electrocolloidal units and one of these units > was given to Professor Ray Kearney (of Diernal fasting fame) at the > University of Sydney. He did some in vitro (petri dish) tests on a > large number of organisms to test colloidal silver's efficacy. In vitro is not in vivo, as you go on to mention. > He did the tests using a number of electrolytes including salt and NaoH > etc. He used a concentration of 12 pmm for his tests. Perhaps he should try again without using an electrolyte? I would be very interested if he would make the solution using my catalyst of H2O2. I will send you my protocol, if you would like it. > His apologetic conclusion was *it didnt work*. He reported that he > couldnt kill anything with CS. I believe him as he is a honerable man. > His research into diet/fasting and DHEA levels in the body is well > known. I don't doubt it. But there are many honorable men who are still learning about this substance. > After hearing of this results I did some intensive online patent > research > to gather more information about the use of silver in medicine. I dug up > a lot of stuff on killing bugs in water cooling towers! It is used extensively in burn centers, as well. > The result of my > investigations seems to indicate that silver requires the presence of an > oxidising agent for it to be effective against pathogens. Do you have any specific referances to research done on this? > I reasoned > that Prof Kearneys tests failed because, apart from the ambient oxygen > present in the air of the petri dishes, there is no oxidising agent > present > with the CS and this could be one reason why the tests failed. I also > reasoned that there IS oxidising agents present in the bloodstream of > the human body which may account for CS's positive action in the body. So, is it your theory that it is the conversion of the silver particle to silver oxide that has the antibiotic effect? Am I understanding your meaning? > Also the silver has to be in contact with the organisms food which may > have been another factort in the failure of the petri dish experiments. "Petri dishes don't have kidneys!", to coin a phrase! Do the organisms have to actually eat the silver? It is my understanding that the silver attacks and disables the enzymes used in "breathing". This way, it is effective against fungi, bacteria, and viral agents. The need to "breath" is the common denominator. Any microbiologists out there? I have used it topically, and have seen tremendous results, as have others. Unless there is an oxidizing agent on the skin, it is working without one. It is used on burn victims, externally, and with wonderful results. > Our conclusion was: *yes* it problably does work (based on some feedback > from our members) but a much higher dose is required. Higher dose? higher than what? Also, a higher does does not necessarily equate to a higher concentration. It can also be just a matter of using more of a lesser concentration. IT is higher concentration you mean though, correct? The findings of Dr.Henry Crook showed the increased concentration of the colloidal solution had a correspondingly improved effect, IN VITRO (petri dishes). This could also be applied to external applications, apparently. Please note...this is not research being done with "mild silver protein", it is pure colloid of silver. > Also we feel that > the colloidal silver should be prepared using NO electrolyte Agreed, what I have said all along. > if a pure > colloid of silver is to be obtained of finest particle size (clear > solution). Do you have any documentation that the clear colloidal solution is clear due to smaller particle size. Water is a clear solution, but no particles of silver. The yellow gold color is said to be the best color by some leading experts in the field, DR.DeLynn Hansen specifically (Silverado). > Any electrolyte will produce suspensions of the oxide or > chloride, according to the type of electrolyte used, of inferior > particle size. even with this particular attention to particle size I > personally feel that, in the end, it is the concentration of silver ions > that has the ultimate effect on organisms since silver salts can form > readily in the presence of an acid or base (HCL in stomach for > instance). There have been studies done on the formation of silver salts in the stomach. This is theoretical. I have heard medical opinions too, to the contrary...that "colloidal silver passes unchanged through the stomach and into the small intestine." Do you have research findings on this occuring in the stomach itself? The silver ions are the operative factor, and they will be most effective in the smallest groupings (particle size). It is only in the colloidal range .01-.001 micron where these particles have an antibiotic/antiseptic effect, according to Hansens report "COLLOIDAL SILVER TYPES AND HISTORY" in which he refers to the work of V.Henri and Kopaczewski. This report is available therough his office..801-426-4586. > I personally concluded that, although there are some exotic patented > silver molecular 'magic bullet' devices with claimed electrical and > semiconductor activity (eg Ag4O4) that will literally electrocute an > organism on contact, Probably ought to research this one a bit more. :-) > there is also evidence, particularly > historical/anecdotal, to suggest that any type of silver will also work: Any type! Silver has been used for thousands of years. The electrolytical process has just been used in this century, and makes even better use of this element. Mr.Nowell's boat does not fly, once again. Let me just point out, in spite of Mr.Nowell's insistance that we can know nothing without years of research and millions of dollars, etc., etc.... The clear fact is simply this, an eye witness account is EVIDENCE accepted in any court of law. That is, if it is not a KANGAROO COURT. No pun intended. > ion, metal, or oxides - particulary in the presence of an oxidising > agent (H2O2) (Silver dollar in the milk churn - Swallow silver dollar > to ward of disease - The use of silver ions in cooling towers). Sounds like a pre-1938 "mild silver protein". :-) > We are currently taking the preferred path of recommending a Swiss > preparation (180ppm) principally because it has been independently > tested and verified in university tests, while we wait for more > coroborative evidence to support the use of electrocolloidal silver > generators. Verified BY INDEPENDENT UNIVERSITY TESTS. And it is NOT a ""mild silver protein""! Correct! Why , this is contrary to the incessant claims of Mr.Nowell. It is impossible, unless.....Mr.Nowell is incorrect. I hope we all know the answer to this by now. > Keep on researching, Thanks Max! You too! Let us know how it goes! How much research do we need to do, when we have an excellent colloid, that works wonderfully? I think it is mainly others who require us to prove to them, at our expense, what many of us already know. No offense, but I'll pass. If people like Mr.Nowell are so oriented to research findings, let them pay for them. NO wonder Mr.Nowell is so peeved, his company spent all that money, and we didn't have to. I am glad to share what I have found through my work, with others, that they may have silver for themselves. I personally got to the point in my research where I had learned enough and I rest upon that which I have found. There are some areas I will continue to experiment in, and will share much of what I find with the list in general. Research, for the sake of research, is a perpetual burden. I don't see the need to carry it. Why continue to seek, when you have already found? That has theological applications as well! God Bless, Scott > Maxwell. > http://triode.net.au/~max/ciss.html
