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On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Lawrence A. Nowell wrote: > snip > >I vaguely remember reading that our bodies do excrete silver slowly, > >taking several weeks to eliminate the microgram quantities we are > >consuming. Thus a steady intake of small quantities will result in a > >gradual increase of blood and tissue levels of silver, until an > >equilibrium is reached with the rate of excretion. > snip Lawrence: > Whatever one takes in is "utilized" or "excreted" by one's bodily > adaptogenic efficiency at the MAXIMUM rate regardless of the amount. Congratulations Lawrence, you just contradicted your self, yet once again. If the only two possibilities are "utilized" and "excreted"....THEN where is the awesome and terrible "storage" of the silver particles in the body's epidermal layers...as in agyria????? IF you are right, it does not exist. Also, what does a "maximum rate" have to do with the previous statement in regard to excretion of the silver from the body? You do not state what this "maximum rate" is! What is this "maximum rate" Lawrence? Do you even know? Even if your statement is correct, the "maximum rate", if low enough, would certainly substantiate the theory of using low concentrations for the sake of a cumulitave effect , a gradual increase of the presence of colloidal silver in the body. This is acheived by using a solution of low concentration, as opposed to a your method of using high concentrations. > snip > >Taking very large quantities (milligrams) of silver swamps the > >body's ability to eliminate it, resulting in particles of silver > >precipitating in the skin. This is where the agyria (stained skin) > >fears come from. > snip > > Agyria was caused from POORLY PREPARED SILVER SOLUTIONS and the use of > SILVER SALTS. So if we are not using an electrolyte, and we are getting a beautiful yellow-golden solution (indicating small particle size), then we need not fear the dreaded agyria. It is only the "poorly prepared silver solutions and the silver salts that bring on agyria" according to Lawrence. > The usage in the documentated cases of the above produced agyria in rare > instances after continual daily abuse style usage for 7 to 14 years and/or > from taking the preparations intra-nasally. Then, Lawrence, WHAT IN THE WORLD WERE YOU TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH BY CLAIMING WE WERE ALL IN DANGER OF GETTING AGYRIA AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS DEBATE??? If this has been your position all along, you are guilty of needlessly sowing the seed of fear. What would possibly motivate you, or anyone for that matter, to do such a thing??? ($$$$$????) > snip > >The relevance to CS is that you can take larger volumes of a lower > >ppm solution to get the same amount of silver *in your blood and > >tissues* as from the higher concentration preparations. > snip > > You cannot use volume homemade silver preparations without upsetting the > electrolyte balance of your system and disturbing homeostasis of the body > from the unknown homemade contaminants and byproducts introduced by the non > existant quality control that will enevitably also bev present in untested > unmonitored homeade solutions. > But besides the contamination problems: Nonsense. It is not the volume of the solution that can potentially effect the enzyme systems (which is debatable whether this actually takes place, btw), it is the concentration of the colloidal particles in the system. If this theory is correct, destabilazation of the enzyme systems due to high concentrations of colloidal silver in the body, then it has nothing to do with "contaminants in homemade silver preparations", which do not deactivate the enzymes. It is the colloidal silver itself that is said to deactivate the enzymes. You shot yourself in the foot again Lawrence. If you have research data to the contrary, please post it. This subject has been covered from Rife-List discussions. Here is a link for a site that claims colloidal silver (the very best of solutions) is destructive to the enzyme systems, and therefore should be avoided. <http://www.europa.com/~rcs> It is not the contaminants that are claimed to be the destructive element, but the colloidal silver itself. I have not visited this site lately, but about a year ago I asked the owner of the site to support his data. I told him, if he was right, I would sincerely recant my position on colloidal silver. The data was not forthcoming. Another member of the list posted a rebutal to his claims, I probably have it on disk somewhere....I think it may have been Mr.Beasley? It was some time ago, though a memorable posting indeed!! > For clarification of the amounts necessary when dealing with blood > concentrations here are the facts re what some practitioners have reported: > A high dosage of mild silver protein at 30 ppm. which sometimes reaches 3 > bottles per day=118.291 mL./bottle (which is 4 OZ./ per bottle) X 3 bottles > per day= > 354.873 mL. per day or ***12 OZ. per day of a 30 ppm. solution*** THREE BOTTLES A DAY .....at $33.99 a bottle= $103.00 a day!! Outrageous!! And from just ONE customer. ($$$$!!!!) vs > a typical 1 ppm. homemade solution Lawrence...you give us so much credit! Have you taken a poll of those making CS on the list? You will not find a 1 ppm solution "typical" here. We have the ability to make solutions concentrated 10 X higher than yours, without batting an eye. I make solution near 200 ppm as a matter of course. I then dilute it to create 5ppm solution. I do this on purpose Lawrence, because taking more of a lower concentration is better than taking less of a higher, from my understanding. Anyone can have high concentrations in their solutions, but they are not the best way accross the board (Perhaps topically) I still hold to the position that it is the amount of silver introduced into the system that is the key factor...not the concentration. > means you would have to ingest 30 X 354.873= 10,646.19 mL. per day which is > also 30 X 12 OZ.= 360 OZ. per day > which is nearly > xxxxxxxx 3 gallons per day xxxxxxxxxx > and you would also have to be excreting > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx3 gallons of impurities in your water xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > not to mention silver oxides etc. Lawrence, your data is askew! Yet once again! You have not proved the presence of silver salts in my solution. I have no silver salts. Others, who do not use an electrolyte, have no silver salts as well. If a person needed a higher concentration of solution, it is easily accomplished. One need not go through all these gymnastics to acheive it. Not to mention the incredible expense of using your product ...over $100 a day...$3000 a month for one person. Lawrence, my solution is made by concentrating 8 ozs. of solution to the level of aprox. 160ppm. This is 8 times more concentrated than your solution. I would need 8 times less of this solution than your solution. But then this does not line up your idea of "typical". Anyone can do this same thing. Anyone can make a pure-safe solution. Just listen to those who are already doing it, who have had tests run, who have used it over years and seen the benefits...and the lack of negative side-effects (as claimed by Lawrence). > snip > >"YOUR PETRI DISH DOESN'T HAVE KIDNEYS!" > snip > > Kidneys have nothing to do with the efficacy of an antibiotic. If an antibiotic causes kidney failure, it seems it just might. Some people have reactions to ...pennicillin...and don't live through them. But then that is another story. > Excretion is a totally different matter. Rates? No doubt this will vary between individuals. No doubt, illness/health will be factors in this rate. You know....the rate that is "always MAXIMUM". > Correct blood-silver microgram/L concentrations are the only determining > factor regarding the killing of an invader pathogen as substanciated by data There is also cell permeability, Lawrence. If the cells are not permeable, the silver will not be able to enter them, and thus destroy the pathogens within....is this not a factor? Bob Beck has designed electrical units that increace the permeability of the cells aproximately 20 times their normal rate. Needless to say, when combined with the use of a good colloidal silver solution (homemade) these two approaches work exceptionally well together!! I have discussed the matter of cell permeability with a Doctor friend and he believes the data to support the position that the "Mild Silver Protein" is less able to be utilized by the cells, due to the necessity of reducing it to a single silver particle by removing the protein it is bonded to. They must be separate for the silver to be utilized. This is the Doctor's position. I am waiting on research to back this, though it seems logical. In any case...it is not necessary to buy high priced MSP...for any reason! > (without getting into the hypothetical topic of adjuncts to remove the outer > protein surface coating of the pathogen). With HIV this is not a matter of hypothetical theorizing. For the immune system to "recognize" the virus, the protein coating must be altered. The use of the Beck device does just that, it alters the exterior protein layer of the HIV virus and makes it identifiable. The immune system then collects the viruses (which can no longer replicate due to the alteration of the protein layer) and excretes them. Nice work Dr.Beck!!! > One just cannot kill a pathogen without a certain concentration of silver > being present to interfer with the enzymes and/or respiratory system of that > organism much in the same way that an acid cannot penetrate a metal unless a > certain concentration is used. Well, that all depends on the method one uses. In some cases it requires a lot less silver to do the same work, and better. Nice to hear from you Lawrence! God Bless, Scott > Sincerely, > > Lawrence Nowell > http://www.escape.ca/~revive > E-mail:- [email protected] > > >Maxwell, Scott, > > > >> > "Petri dishes don't have kidneys!", to coin a phrase! > >> > >> Can you tell me more about the role of the kidney in relation to > >> CS? > > > >I used this phrase a couple of times with Mr. Nowell last week to > >counter his argument that a silver preparation must be able to kill > >bacteria in a petri dish. > > > >When you take any substance into your system, it either stays there > >forever (like some heavy metals and fat soluble organics) or it is > >excreted by your system over time. The rate of excretion (in urine, > >sweat, feces) versus the rate of ingestion determines if the levels > >in the blood stream and tissues go up or down. It gets more > >complicated when the substance in question is metabolized or used up > >in some way, but you get the idea. > > > >I vaguely remember reading that our bodies do excrete silver slowly, > >taking several weeks to eliminate the microgram quantities we are > >consuming. Thus a steady intake of small quantities will result in a > >gradual increase of blood and tissue levels of silver, until an > >equilibrium is reached with the rate of excretion. > > > >Taking very large quantities (milligrams) of silver swamps the > >body's ability to eliminate it, resulting in particles of silver > >precipitating in the skin. This is where the agyria (stained skin) > >fears come from. > > > >The kidney's job is to help maintain our bodies' electrolyte balance > >by eliminating excess water and various waste products that come over > >from the bloodstream. > > > >The relevance to CS is that you can take larger volumes of a lower > >ppm solution to get the same amount of silver *in your blood and > >tissues* as from the higher concentration preparations. Your kidneys > >will eliminate the extra water, while whatever regulatory mechanism > >decides how much silver is good for you, keeps the blood and tissue > >levels at an appropriate level. > > > >So Nowell's insistance that positive petri dish results are a > >requirement of a "good" silver preparation are, as near as I can > >tell, specious. Thus "YOUR PETRI DISH DOESN'T HAVE KIDNEYS!" > > > >Mike Devour > > > >[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] > >[[email protected] ] > >[Speaking only for himself... ] > > > > > > > >
