CWFugitt wrote:

 > In addition, animals do not experience pain like humans do.
 >
 > They do not think, they have no logic, no reasoning, no analytical
 > ability,  do not worry or arrive at decisions.

 > You can whip a dog, beat him until you feel bad about it.
 > What does he do?  Instead of running, he comes crawling to you on his
 > belly.
 >
 > At least he better, for if he runs, I kill him.  A dog can make lots
 > of mistakes,  but if he runs from me and continues to do so, his days
 > are numbered.

Reading those words made me feel nauseous.  I can only hope and pray, 
that no dog or animal of any kind, has the misfortune of coming to you 
for help or a home.

 > Can you offer a single example of this "Excessive Suffering" theory?

Would you say it's safe to assume that fish (not including Porposes or 
Whales) are lower on the intelligence scale than dogs, Wayne?  I would 
think so.

 From  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2983045.stm

Fish Do Feel Pain, Scientists Say
By Alex Kirby
BBC News Online Environmental Correspondent

The first conclusive evidence of pain perception in fish is said to have 
been found by UK scientists.
Rainbow trout BBC
Fish have pain receptors like us

This complements earlier findings that both birds and mammals can feel 
pain, and challenges assertions that fish are impervious to it.

The scientists found sites in the heads of rainbow trout that responded 
to damaging stimuli.

They also found the fish showed marked reactions when exposed to harmful 
substances.

The argument over whether fish feel pain has long been a subject of 
dispute between anglers and animal rights activists.

The research, by a team from the Roslin Institute and the University of 
Edinburgh, is published in Proceedings B of the Royal Society, the UK's 
national academy of science.

The researchers, led by Dr Lynne Sneddon, say the "profound behavioural 
and physiological changes" shown by the trout after exposure to noxious 
substances are comparable to those seen in higher mammals.

Fish have pain receptors like us.

[snipped]

[see above link for full article]

Jodi


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