Ah well, I misunderstood you then, sorry.
I never used pain to train, though. 
My horse never had a bit in her mouth when 
I rode (and she'd never been ridden before 
I got her). My brothers used one on her, and 
they both got thrown hard. They said, "that 
crazy horse of yours is dangerous!". But she 
loved me. :)
The painless way takes a lot of patience, 
but to me it's well worth it.

Cheers,
indi




On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:28:50 -0500
Wayne Fugitt <[email protected]> wrote:

> 
> > >   I make sure, they feel pain, when I want them to feel pain.
> >
> ><wince>
> >Digging yourself a bit of a hole there, aren't you?
> 
>    Of course not.
> 
>    I have trained a number of dogs whereas my training has
> saved their life.
> 
>    Often one correction, lasts them the rest of their life.
> 
>    This has kept cars, trains, and other things from killing them.
> They respond in .1 second or less.  It has to be quick,
> very quick at times   No time for a second thought, or a second
> command.
> 
>    Yes. some of the best in the world trained me.
> 
>    War Dog Trainers.    Save many human lives with proper training.
> 
>   No more discussing on my expertice.  That is all.
> 
>   Wayne
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