Brooks,
Am I correct in interpreting this as saying that the various CS generating
methods that you list, produced similar sized particles? Would this then mean
that current limiting is really unnecessary? Obviously, the higher voltages
will produce higher initial currents and quicker runs if the current is not 
limited.
Would this produce the same size particle as carefully controlled current?

Another question that you might shine some light on: My HVAC (20kv) CS
is clear and stays clear. It also seems more potent. My LVDC CS is golden
and darkens with time. I keep hearing that color indicates larger particles.
I have a hard time with this explination. I see very fine particles as I observe
the light beam, and an occasional larger sparkle. Whatever creates the color
must be smaller than the particles I see in my light beam. And the fact that 
this
color darkens in time, leads me to believe it is something other than silver
particles. Maybe some type of oxidation. I'll admit, when it comes to chemestry,
I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed.

I'd appreciate your thoughts.

Jeff


BROOKS BRADLEY wrote:

>                             To all interested list members.  I have been
> reluctant to enter this discussion, but since we have some actual, objective
> data on this issue, I will break my covenant of silence.  I do this knowing 
> that
> many on the list do not possess the discretionary funds required to have
> multiple electron microscope runs performed (@ $120.00 each).  In 1997 we had 
> a
> number of specimens examined under electron microscopy, at an independent
> laboratory.  Among these were 27 vdc (using batteries),  36 vdc (regulated ), 
> 28
> vdc (regulated power supply),  18 vdc (reg. pwr supply),  12 vdc (reg.pwr.
> supply),  10,000 vac,  1000 vac;  generated using COLD (35 DEGREES  F..), ROOM
> TEMP  (80 DEGREES F.), and HOT (180 DEGREES F.).  ALL RESULTS were so similar,
> that NO visible differention was possible.....using the unaided human eye.
> since the magnification was in excess of 100K, most of the discussion is---at
> least to us---moot.
>                         I do not mean to be confrontational/adversarial in 
> this
> matter.  These are just our findings.  Others may have data which contravenes
> ours.  If so, I would be most appreciative of receiving their commentary.
>                         Sincerely.  Brooks.
> Jeff Gilman wrote:
>
> > Mark Metcalf of Silver Solutions says that its impossible to change the
> > particle size. That the laws of electrochemistry prove that the particle
> > size remains constant regardless of the voltage, temp of the water, etc.  I
> > would like to get this issue settled once and for all.  Can anybody point me
> > to any references which will prove or disprove this?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jeff
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Katarina Wittich <[email protected]>
> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
> > Date: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 12:44 PM
> > Subject: CS>Re: Bil, boiling water.
> >
> > >Hi Bil,
> > >so , I have two questions.
> > >Doesn't heating the water increase particle size? As the particles bump
> > into
> > >each other and agglomerate and make cs faster but bigger particles?
> > >
> > >And how do you boil water in a glass jar without it breaking? What kind of
> > >jar? I looked for glass kettles in the store but didn't find anything.
> > >Thanks,
> > >katarina
> > >
> > >
> > >> I have been making CS for some time.  I started out
> > >> with a 16 oz. jar and was told to use boiling hot
> > >> distilled water and no salt to have the smallest particle
> > >> size.
> > >>
> > >> Now I use a gallon jar.  The distilled water I buy here
> > >> in California always tests below 2 ppm.  I boil the
> > >> water in a very clean glass pot.  If I use cold water the
> > >> CS process takes forever.  Also no matter how much
> > >> I limit the current (as low as 2 mA) the cathode always
> > >> gets very thick with sludge.  This is my setup:
> > >>
> > >> One gallon glass jar (clean)
> > >> Plastic lid
> > >> 99.99% silver, 1" x 3.5" (wetted)
> > >> Food grade stainless steel, 1" x 8" (wetted)
> > >> Stainless steel bolts and nuts (on lid)
> > >> Electrodes spaced 1/2" apart
> > >> 30 volts DC
> > >>
> > >> Some of you guys are using 120 volts AC rectified and
> > >> filtered to produce ~170 volts DC.  How much current
> > >> are you running?  What is the advantage?
> > >>
> > >> Is it possible to make 5 or 10 ppm CS by the gallon
> > >> without the sludge using low voltage?
> > >>
> > >> Thank you very much for your replies.
> > >>
> > >> Bil
> > >>
> > >
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