James, I am sure the charged Ps are responsible for the catalytic effect in the therapeutic process. And it is clear that we are dealing not with single atoms but clusters that form visible Ps. I doubt that atoms are even visible matter! But I challenge anyone to disprove the hypothesis. There must be some mathematical proof, somewhere, someone must understand it. Meanwhile we have achieved reduction that I didn't know was possible. One can actually see the interaction of the Ps and it is apparent that there is an affinity relationship that correlates to size at these diminished levels (I mean Ps from sveral Angstroms to several nm).
Stephen -----Original Message----- From: James Osbourne, Holmes <[email protected]> To: '[email protected]' <[email protected]> Date: Friday, April 07, 2000 8:28 PM Subject: RE: cs strength >Hi Stephen, > >All charged particles are by definition ions. At issue, is whether we are >discussing single dissolved atom with its valence available to react with >other ions, or a small clump of atoms which is charged, but is not readily >available to react with other ions. The antimicrobal and healing >properties of CS as well as its long-range stability are believed to be at >least partly due to the presence of a positive charge on a clump of Ag >atoms, which are suspended by Brownian movement in the water. They have >less tendency to strike one another in ways which will stick because each >has a positive charge of at least Plus One. As concentration increases, > the particles are of necessity closer together, increasing the chance of a >sticky collision. > >Single "dissolved" atoms are much more available to react with other >elements and compounds, and may be more prone to producing cosmetic >conditions or toxic products. > >The foregoing is totally without available documentation, and represents >only my present attempt to understand and widely open to correction or >elaboration. > >James Osbourne Holmes >[email protected] > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Stephen Quinto [SMTP:[email protected]] >Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 2:34 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: cs strength > >Marshall, and "coyote", >there is a product on the market - also produced chemically - one of the >finest colloids we've seen. But it has a pH of 3.1, effectively a mild >acid. However it is free of any ionic attribute, a pure colloid! I >suggested that we bring it up to pH normal and have a look.... it then >formed crystal structures up to several hundred nm. Cannot even begin to >fathom the reaction in vivo, but certainly are not going to find out.... >Stephen >----- Original Message ----- >From: Marshall Dudley <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 11:52 AM >Subject: Re: cs strength > > >> coyote wrote: >> >> > ##Slightly off subject but may be enlightening.... >> > >> > There is a company near me that manufactures CS by the 55 gallon >drum, >> > sold bulk to repackagers. I visited and asked questions. They do not >use >> > and electrical process but something called a "Precipitate method". > The >> > person i spoke to was very closed mouth about it. The CS was a very >deep >> > bright yellow, almost iridescent [ viewed through a half inch clear >> > plastic tube] and was stored in what looked like a blue plastic pickle >> > barrel like the local Mount Olive pickle company uses. >> > >> >> The precipitate method is what was used in the 30's. It is the least >expensive >> method, and produces an inferior, possibly toxic, product. >> >> Here is how it works. You start with a salt of silver, most likely >silver >> nitrate, then add a base to it, such as sodium hydroxide (aka lye, >draino). >> The two react producing silver particles and sodium nitrate. >> >> There are several problems with this. First you now have sodium nitrate >in the >> sol, which ends up in the final material, or other processes must be used >to >> remove it. Total remove is highly unlikely. Also silver nitrate can >still >> remain, and this can cause argyria and is considered a poison. If too >much lye >> is added, then there will be traces of what is basically drano in there >as >> well. >> >> Added to this is that the particles are not charged up positively like in >the >> electrolytic process, then they will quickly aggregate and produce larger >> particles, plus without the charge, they lose a lot of effectiveness. >> >> Thus you end up with a product which has reduced effectiveness, reduced >> stability, increased toxicity, and the possibility of it causing argyria. >But >> it is very cheap to make this way. >> >> Typical of big companies, damn the product, make it as cheap as possible. >No >> wonder they are closed mouthed about it. >> >> Marshall >> >> >> >> > >> > I recently sold a generator to a woman who attempted to use [deep >bright >> > yellow] commercial CS in her eyes. She said it irritated them badly >whereas >> > the CS from the generator did not. She washed her shower curtains with >the >> > commercial stuff. >> > Does anyone know anything about the 'precipitate method' of making CS? >> > This local company sends out drum after drum of this. I wonder how >much >of >> > what's available in stores is this very same product repackaged. >> > KD'C >> > >> > At 06:56 AM 4/6/00 -0700, you wrote: >> > >Hello, >> > > >> > >I am new to CS and this list. I got a prett serious >> > >burn, and a book I have suggested applying CS >> > >topically. I bought some at the local health food >> > >store (not knowing anything about it), and what I got >> > >is 1100 ppm (manufactured by Innovative Natural >> > >Products). I tried applying this to the area, and it >> > >seemed to worsen, so I stopped. I have continued to >> > >take a small amount internally. >> > > >> > >since beginning my research into CS on the web, I see >> > >that most of you use a much weaker solution. Is 1100 >> > >way too strong? (it is a dark yellow color). Is this >> > >safe to apply topically to my burn? >> > >any advice would be much appreciated! >> > > >> > >__________________________________________________ >> > >Do You Yahoo!? >> > >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >> > >http://im.yahoo.com >> > > >> > > >> > >-- >> > >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal >silver. >> > > >> > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message >to: >> > >[email protected] -or- [email protected] >> > >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. >> > > >> > >To post, address your message to: [email protected] >> > >Silver-list archive: >http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >> > >List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >
