Pam
I started this ball so I guess I'll roll it for a moment.
The only reason I recommend against utopia is because I've seen photos of
what they call the very best quality CS and it appears to me to be the very
worst then go on to bring a 'good guy' image in by saying they only do this
so that their children will have the best...and now..they can share their
good fortune.
Well maybe it's true and they don't have a clue. Heck, I even sent them
suggestions and simple circuit diagrams to improve their quality..no response.
Ken
At 01:13 AM 7/11/00 -0500, you wrote:
>The only one I recommend against is the last...Utopia
>You can make fairly good CS
>with such a unit but it takes a lot of care and experimentation. I doubt
>you will be able to go stronger than 3 to 5 PPM without making yellow to
>brown colored CS.
What causes a particular CS maker to create brown sludge and not another?
## Mostly 'runaway' [what Ivan said in another post] where the generator
just accelerates out of control..because it has no controls at all..not
even operator controls.
Mind you, I don't know if brown CS is harmful, but I doubt it's as
effective as a good clear CS or pale yellow. Personally, if I happen to
make some brown stuff while experimenting, I fill a drain with it. [yuck]
Or is that a myth? I have 2 CS makers(only tried one so far). I do get
brown, but that is when I leave it running too long and I was using sea
salt(and distilled water).
## Somehow some people think sea salt is better than an additive free pure
salt. Think about how many heavy metals like mercury and chemicals are in
sea water. Salt is simply not necessary anyway and may form odd chemical
combinations in your CS.
I must have missed some crucial e-mails from the
list before I joined as I do not understand this. I don't want to start
anything here, but I sure would like a suggestion as to what is the best CS
maker(s) that people on this list have found(without bias and with
first-hand knowledge in relation to their experimentation, testing and and
final evaluation)---or has anyone purchased various makers and put them all
to the "test"? Is this a valid question and are there any correct answers
to this inquiry--or does it just not matter? From what I have read from
certain e-mails that have implied that the quality varies from generator to
generator---I just wonder if there is a significant difference.
## Yes there is a big difference.
"Voltage controlled/regulated/limited is BS...pure sales gimmick in a
battery operated generator. Any battery is automatically voltage
controlled, limited to it's rated output. That requires nothing extra at all.
"Current limited is a bit better but usually just prevents the generator
from melting down if you short the rods together and does nothing at all
for the CS process itself. This is done with a small light bulb or
resistor. It will still 'runaway'
"Current controlled" is a very good step and requires some know how to
produce. IMO, these are the best and most fail safe, make the best CS with
the most consistent smallest particles...AND prevents damage to the generator.
Stirring technique is a new thing on the scene and we're still hashing
out exactly why it makes such a big difference. It seems to play a big
part in even uncontrolled generators making very good CS as well as
improving the performance of the more sophisticated ones too.
The rest is basically bells and whistles for your convenience.
The three I like best [and there are others that slip my mind right now]
are Trems which he recently plugged, The new 777 at wishgranted.com and of
course mine at silverpuppy.com.
Of the bunch, Trems seems to have the edge with his new stirring device,
wishgranted has more bells and whistles than mine but mine is the cheapest
and does a darned good job and turns itself off when it's done like the
others do but only has one setting. [You don't need a radio to drive] All
are current controlled to 1 milliamp or less. All make the best CS for low
voltage DC generators. Mine will run on many power sources besides the wall
plug. Maybe Trems will too. I don't think the 777 will.
Some people swear by High voltage generators and there are some good ones
out there. I believe they are current controlled as well...and they are
pretty pricey too. [Mostly geared for commercial production?]
Also, is there such a thing as a CS solution that does not lose its potency
over time? Does this vary from generator to generator? Or is that what
certain individuals on this list is trying to determine?
## Yes to all of the above.
I'll hazard a guess that brown CS ain't "it" and nearly everyone on this
list will agree?
Ken
These are just some thoughts and questions off the top of my head--sorry if
I missed something and these questions are all redundant.
Pam
> While mechanical stirring does seem to get very good results, thermal
>stirring via convection currents helps a lot and is a lot simpler.
> Either preheat the water to 80 -100 degrees and let cool while running
>the generator, or start with room temp water and place it on a small heater
>such as a 4 watt night light bulb.
> Letting hot water cool while in process tends to give that light Tyndal
>Effect but limits the max concentration [with my auto off unit] to about
>8-9 PPM as read by a PPM meter.
> Check out
>www.colloidal-silver.com
> and click on the merchants directory for a fairly complete list of
>generator makers.
> The only one I recommend against is the last...Utopia
> They are very proud of the brown sludge their generator makes for some
>reason. They use 3 nine volt batteries, 2 silver rods and nothing else. I
>think they recommend using sea salt as well. A no no.
> With their set up, there's also a possibility of getting some lead and
>tin into the mix as the wires have exposed solder on the ends. Not
>extremely likely, but possible.
> You can do something similar for a lot less. You can make fairly good CS
>with such a unit but it takes a lot of care and experimentation. I doubt
>you will be able to go stronger than 3 to 5 PPM without making yellow to
>brown colored CS.
> k...@czen
>
>At 03:28 PM 7/9/00 -0500, you wrote:
>>Okay. What is the Tyndall effect? All I could find is that Tyndall(John)
>>was an Irish physicist. Also, where might one purchase a mechanism for
>>stirring?
>>
>>
>>
>> >Is it John?
>> >
>> >Stirring really helps distribute the ionic cloud away from the anode
as the
>> >atoms are being released during production. If you can get them
disbursed
>> >in the water with stirring, they tend not to agglomerate. It makes a
much
>> >better product. It will be crystal clear with no color if you keep it
>> >under 15-20 PPM. Will also have a minimal Tyndall effect.
>> >
>> >Trem
>> >www.silvergen.com
>> >Constant Current Colloid Generators
>> >
>> >
>> >At 03:02 PM 7/9/00 -0500, you wrote:
>> >>Is stirring necessary?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >JO\ohn;
>> >> >
>> >> >Make your own genterator, all you need is a DC power source, a digital
>> >> >multimeter, stirring motor, and two pieces of #14 sliver .999 or
>> better and
>> >> >some clip leads.
>> >> >
>> >> >Contact me off list and I can probvide more detailed info.
>> >> >
>> >> >"Ole Bob"
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
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