In Search of the Miracle Cure,
Pam
> ## I'd have to know more about your generator to give you really
>specific answers but in general.
> It takes a fairly long time for CS to build up in distilled water. To
>hasten the process, add a couple of tablespoons of the batch you just made
>to your next batch to jump start it. Using plain distilled water can take
>a couple of hours, maybe even as many as 5 depending on electrode spacing,
>electrode length, voltage and current output, water temperature and size
>of the container/batch.
> If you shine a strong flashlight in a dark room onto the electrodes, you
>shall see a faint white mist dissipating off one of the electrodes. It's
>working. It could take as long as an hour before this can be seen or just
>a few minutes.
> A laser pointer can be used to see a Tyndal effect.
> If you get bubbles forming, a grey deposit on one rod and/or a black
>deposit on the other, it has been working.
> Some people can't taste CS I suppose. I usually can if my taste buds
>aren't coated with a dairy product and I swish the cs around for a bit.
> If the CS is really fine, it'll have a faint metallic flavor. If it's a
>bit courser, a fairly strong metallic flavor.
>
> I find that with water over 100 deg, I get agglomeration more often and
>the CS is more likely to turn yellow after a few days. Your setup may
>react differently. Try it.
> Ken
>
> At 01:07 AM 7/13/00 -0500, you wrote:
>
>
>Thank you so much for your response.
>
> I made a new batch of CS yesterday as I became ill---well, with vertigo.
> The CS solution I made was the first I since getting on this list--thus,
> the first solution I've made without salt(or even this year for that
> matter). Just one problem: when I used salt(in the past), I saw an
> immediate release from one of the wires(a light gray in color) and in time
> the entire solution would become gray. That indicated to me to stop
> processing for to go any further the solution would turn brown. Without
> the salt there was no color this time--even after an hour or more(should
> have paid attention to the timing--and temperature). I wondered if the
> generator was working, but it was. I see it is suggested to have the
> temperature between 80-100. I just heated the water up and went for it as I
> knew I needed the solution right away. I drank some of the solution after
> 15 min. and again after 1/2 hr. I had to leave, but when I got home I drank
> more of the solution after 1 hr. of processing. Actually, the vertigo was
> gone after an hour had past from the first drink. Coincidence?--I don't
> know. Interesting, today I became ill after eating(pretty sure it was
> unrelated to the other day). Anyway, shortly after drinking the CS, my
> symptoms were gone--totally. This is one way to find out if my batch was
> any good--though it was clear(now I understand that it is okay and
> preferred for solution to be clear--correct?).
>
> What is my question now? I have 2 questions:
>
> 1. Does it matter if the water temperature is over 100 degrees?
>
> 2. How long should I run my generator to be sure I have a fairly potent
>batch?
>
> I want to mention that after an hour or thereabout I checked the solution
> and there was a dark brown to gray--I'd have to say it appeared
> slimy--residue attached at the end of one of the wires. What was that and
> what causes it--and is this a dtermining point at which I should decide to
> turn off the generator?
>
> PG
>
>
>
>
>
> > Pam
> > I started this ball so I guess I'll roll it for a moment.
> > The only reason I recommend against utopia is because I've seen
photos of
> >what they call the very best quality CS and it appears to me to be the
very
> >worst then go on to bring a 'good guy' image in by saying they only do
this
> >so that their children will have the best...and now..they can share their
> >good fortune.
> > Well maybe it's true and they don't have a clue. Heck, I even sent them
> >suggestions and simple circuit diagrams to improve their quality..no
>response.
> > Ken
> >
> >
> >At 01:13 AM 7/11/00 -0500, you wrote:
> >> >The only one I recommend against is the last...Utopia
> >>
> >> >You can make fairly good CS
> >> >with such a unit but it takes a lot of care and experimentation. I
doubt
> >> >you will be able to go stronger than 3 to 5 PPM without making
yellow to
> >> >brown colored CS.
> >>
> >>What causes a particular CS maker to create brown sludge and not another?
> >
> >## Mostly 'runaway' [what Ivan said in another post] where the generator
> >just accelerates out of control..because it has no controls at all..not
> >even operator controls.
> > Mind you, I don't know if brown CS is harmful, but I doubt it's as
> >effective as a good clear CS or pale yellow. Personally, if I happen to
> >make some brown stuff while experimenting, I fill a drain with it. [yuck]
> >
> >>Or is that a myth? I have 2 CS makers(only tried one so far). I do get
> >>brown, but that is when I leave it running too long and I was using sea
> >>salt(and distilled water).
> >
> >## Somehow some people think sea salt is better than an additive free
pure
> >salt. Think about how many heavy metals like mercury and chemicals are in
> >sea water. Salt is simply not necessary anyway and may form odd chemical
> >combinations in your CS.
> >
> >> I must have missed some crucial e-mails from the
> >>list before I joined as I do not understand this. I don't want to start
> >>anything here, but I sure would like a suggestion as to what is the
best CS
> >>maker(s) that people on this list have found(without bias and with
> >>first-hand knowledge in relation to their experimentation, testing
and and
> >>final evaluation)---or has anyone purchased various makers and put
them all
> >>to the "test"? Is this a valid question and are there any correct answers
> >>to this inquiry--or does it just not matter? From what I have read from
> >>certain e-mails that have implied that the quality varies from
generator to
> >>generator---I just wonder if there is a significant difference.
> >
> >## Yes there is a big difference.
> > "Voltage controlled/regulated/limited is BS...pure sales gimmick in a
> >battery operated generator. Any battery is automatically voltage
> >controlled, limited to it's rated output. That requires nothing extra at
>all.
> >"Current limited is a bit better but usually just prevents the generator
> >from melting down if you short the rods together and does nothing at all
> >for the CS process itself. This is done with a small light bulb or
> >resistor. It will still 'runaway'
> > "Current controlled" is a very good step and requires some know how to
> >produce. IMO, these are the best and most fail safe, make the best CS
with
> >the most consistent smallest particles...AND prevents damage to the
>generator.
> > Stirring technique is a new thing on the scene and we're still hashing
> >out exactly why it makes such a big difference. It seems to play a big
> >part in even uncontrolled generators making very good CS as well as
> >improving the performance of the more sophisticated ones too.
> > The rest is basically bells and whistles for your convenience.
> >
> > The three I like best [and there are others that slip my mind right now]
> >are Trems which he recently plugged, The new 777 at wishgranted.com and of
> >course mine at silverpuppy.com.
> > Of the bunch, Trems seems to have the edge with his new stirring device,
> >wishgranted has more bells and whistles than mine but mine is the cheapest
> >and does a darned good job and turns itself off when it's done like the
> >others do but only has one setting. [You don't need a radio to drive] All
> >are current controlled to 1 milliamp or less. All make the best CS for low
> >voltage DC generators. Mine will run on many power sources besides the
wall
> >plug. Maybe Trems will too. I don't think the 777 will.
> > Some people swear by High voltage generators and there are some good
ones
> >out there. I believe they are current controlled as well...and they are
> >pretty pricey too. [Mostly geared for commercial production?]
> >
> >
> >>Also, is there such a thing as a CS solution that does not lose its
potency
> >>over time? Does this vary from generator to generator? Or is that what
> >>certain individuals on this list is trying to determine?
> >
> > ## Yes to all of the above.
> > I'll hazard a guess that brown CS ain't "it" and nearly everyone on this
> >list will agree?
> > Ken
> >
> >
> >>These are just some thoughts and questions off the top of my
head--sorry if
> >>I missed something and these questions are all redundant.
> >>
> >>Pam
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > While mechanical stirring does seem to get very good results,
thermal
> >> >stirring via convection currents helps a lot and is a lot simpler.
> >> > Either preheat the water to 80 -100 degrees and let cool while
running
> >> >the generator, or start with room temp water and place it on a small
>heater
> >> >such as a 4 watt night light bulb.
> >> > Letting hot water cool while in process tends to give that light
Tyndal
> >> >Effect but limits the max concentration [with my auto off unit] to
about
> >> >8-9 PPM as read by a PPM meter.
> >> > Check out
> >> ><http://www.colloidal-silver.com/>www.colloidal-silver.com
> >> > and click on the merchants directory for a fairly complete list of
> >> >generator makers.
> >> > The only one I recommend against is the last...Utopia
> >> > They are very proud of the brown sludge their generator makes for
some
> >> >reason. They use 3 nine volt batteries, 2 silver rods and nothing
>else. I
> >> >think they recommend using sea salt as well. A no no.
> >> > With their set up, there's also a possibility of getting some
lead and
> >> >tin into the mix as the wires have exposed solder on the ends. Not
> >> >extremely likely, but possible.
> >> > You can do something similar for a lot less. You can make fairly
>good CS
> >> >with such a unit but it takes a lot of care and experimentation. I
doubt
> >> >you will be able to go stronger than 3 to 5 PPM without making
yellow to
> >> >brown colored CS.
> >> > k...@czen
> >> >
> >> >At 03:28 PM 7/9/00 -0500, you wrote:
> >> >>Okay. What is the Tyndall effect? All I could find is that
Tyndall(John)
> >> >>was an Irish physicist. Also, where might one purchase a mechanism for
> >> >>stirring?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >Is it John?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Stirring really helps distribute the ionic cloud away from the anode
> >> as the
> >> >> >atoms are being released during production. If you can get them
> >> disbursed
> >> >> >in the water with stirring, they tend not to agglomerate. It
makes a
> >> much
> >> >> >better product. It will be crystal clear with no color if you
keep it
> >> >> >under 15-20 PPM. Will also have a minimal Tyndall effect.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Trem
> >> >> ><http://www.silvergen.com/>www.silvergen.com
> >> >> >Constant Current Colloid Generators
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >At 03:02 PM 7/9/00 -0500, you wrote:
> >> >> >>Is stirring necessary?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >JO\ohn;
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Make your own genterator, all you need is a DC power source, a
> >>digital
> >> >> >> >multimeter, stirring motor, and two pieces of #14 sliver .999 or
> >> >> better and
> >> >> >> >some clip leads.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Contact me off list and I can probvide more detailed info.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >"Ole Bob"
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
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> And The Truth Shall Help You Be Healthy,
> Pam
>
>
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