Ivan Anderson wrote:

> Well Marshall,
>
> It would be wise to design an experiment that reflected the fate of
> silver in the body. That would require the CS to spend time in HCl pH 2,
> bumping into the transport enzymes found in the intestines, close
> encounters with plasma proteins, sulphydral and seleno-hydral groups,
> vit C and E and of course Cl- ions. This list is not exhaustive of
> course but I should think that most of the silver will now be silver
> compounds (shudder) and will be light sensitive in the presence of
> reducing elements.
>

I do plan on mixing with HCL first to simulate going through the stomach,
and then adjusting the ph to 7.4, which is the blood ph.  Also I may add
some developer to the mix, since caffine is a developer.

>
> If clumps of silver repel each other how can that happen if they are not
> ions?

I did not say they were not ions.  I said single atom ions vs multi atom
particle ions.

>
> Name one mineral that exists in the body other than as an ion or
> compound.

Once again, I did not say they were not ions.  Just not single atom ions.
The difference between how a single atom ion of silver acts vs a multiatom
ion of silver is dramatic.  Catalytic effects alone are a thousand to a
million times more active in the multi-atom clump.

>
> If silver is present as the uncharged metal and not as ions how can it
> react with anything?
>

Once again, I never said it was not an ion, only a multi-atom particle ion.
But also, who said it has to react with anything.  It CAN act as a catalyst
without reacting, and positively charged silver particles are very strong
oxidizing catalysts.

Marshall

>
> Ivan.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marshall Dudley" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 November 2000 04:21
> Subject: Re: CS>again
>
> > [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > > Chuck: Which, as Ivan has pointed out, is NOT true for typical
> silver nitrate
> > > preparations. Perhaps THAT'S why, from a purely delivery
> perspective, only
> > > silver compounds cause argyria. It's not the FORM of silver that
> causes
> > > argyria (since, according to Ivan, the body can only absorb silver
> ION), it's
> > > the amount, which, for all practical purposes, can be delivered only
> by
> > > silver compounds. This idea may help us examine the longer term
> issues. If
> > > studies can be cited whereby ingesting silver in the form of its
> compounds
> > > has no ADDITIONAL long term side effects (beyond agyria), it is
> practically
> > > impossible for CS to have them. If, on the other hand, such studies
> connect
> > > silver compounds with OTHER long term negative side effects, long
> term CS
> > > studies would still be needed to demonstrate such a connection.
> Roger
> >
> > I still maintain that there is a BIG difference between how a single
> atom ion of
> > silver, such as you have in compounds, acts as opposed to the
> multi-atom clump of
> > atoms ion that is in CS.  The multiclump atoms are self repelling, and
> thus do not
> > tend to aggregate in the tissues, and become stuck.  They are also not
> light
> > sensitive as compounds of silver are, which is essential for argyria
> to develop.
> >
> > I am going to try an experiment when I get a chance. I will soak some
> tissue in
> > both silver nitrate and colloidal silver and expose to light and see
> what
> > happens.  I bet the silver nitrate tissue turns dark and the CS one
> does not.  How
> > can the CS reduce to metalic silver?  It is already metalic silver.
> >
> > Marshall
>
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