Ode Coyote wrote:

>  In every single photo presented..without exception..., the characteristics
> of condensing vapor was present where there was an invisible phase just
> after the supposed nozzles. This cannot happen with a direct liquid spray
> where the densest portion of the spray would be directly at the nozzle and
> getting less dense as distance from the nozzle increased.

Sure you can. You are forgetting the resolution of the photgraph.  The liquid as
it leaves the nossel is thin and almost clear until the turbulance breaks it up
into fine particles, which then appear as a white mist.

This is right in line with what I would expect.

Also I have watched these planes at low altitude.  The stream comes from
nossles, which are not where the engines are usually. Later they did seem to
move the nossels to behind the engines, but early on, the mist was almost never
aligned with the engines.  A 2 engine plane would have 1 or 3 or 4 trails, and a
4 engine plane would often have 1 or 2 trails, usually both on the same side of
the plane.  If you use binoculars you can see an almost transparent stream
leaving the nossle which breaks up into a mist 20 to 50 or so feet behind the
plane.  This cannot be captured with a camera without shooting through a
telescope or other magnifying device because of the problem that the stream is
not only nearly clear (or at least it appear so, maybe because it is so thin),
but is below the resolution of the camera.

I have seen photos which are quite possibly contrails as well, but then we know
those exist.

This photo shows no gap from the back of the wing to the appearance of the
trail, but the trail goes from transparent to white, as I have seen with
binoculars. http://www.contrailconnection.com/images/Philip5.jpg

This photo show planes which are only putting the trail out on one side of the
plane.  I have seen this many times.  How can the humidity be high enough to
cause a trail on one side of the plane and not on the other?  And even if it
were, why would the trail from the side that is comes from be able to grow into
the low humidity side? http://www.contrailconnection.com/images/5-15con2.jpg

Also, how can a plane cut off its engines and make a complete U turn before
turning on the engines back on without falling.  I have seen this done probably
30 or more times over the last two years.  They often cross overhead, and when
they reach the boundry of the city the trail disappears, the plane makes a U
turn, then when it comes back over the city again, the trail starts again.  This
is usually repeated 5 to 10 times before the plane cuts off its engines
(according to your theory) or spray and moves on out of sight.

This photo shows two chemtrails on one side of the plane, and either a contrail
or a partially stopped up nossel on the other side, which does not appear as
quickly as the other side, nor does it appear as full.
http://www.contrailconnection.com/images/markpa1.jpg

This photo shows a 4 nossles spaced unevenly on the wings.  Engines would be
spaced evenly. http://www.contrailconnection.com/images/mikestlou1.jpg

Here is another image where the trails are not behind the engines.
http://www.contrailconnection.com/images/PurpleCrow/nchem13pc.jpg


This picture show a 4 engine plane, with one trail coming from the tail.
Absolutely none coming from the engines at all.  How can you explain it?  Also
there is no gap from the nossel to the appearance of the mist
http://www.contrailconnection.com/images/SprayTrail6.jpg

And here the plane is again with the trail turned off a few minutes later
http://www.contrailconnection.com/images/SprayTrail12.jpg

Why does the mist NEVER dissipate, even at low humidity, eventually reaching the
ground? I have seen this many times as well.  Why does the mist sometimes burn
when it comes in contact with ones skin eyes and nose, which everyone in my
family have experienced several times.  Why does the mist cause standing water
to display what appears to be oil on the sufrace of the water when it settles on
a bowl of water?

None of these can be answered by assuming it comes from the engines.  A correct
answer must meet all the facts, not just some of them.

Marshall




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