RE: CS>Colloidal vs silver ionsHello Ronen (not Konan, right! :)),
By now you will have read
Terry Chamberlain's post and feeling calmer no doubt. Sorry if I was giving you
the impression that ionic silver is dangerous per se. Not so. As you will find,
opinion is divided as to whether ionic or colloidal silver is the best. General
consensus though is that the ionic form works best for external use while the
colloidal form probably survives better in the internal environment to 'do the
job'. The LVDC method used by the majority produces both forms anyway, while
the HVAC method tends to be in the 95-99% ionic range, and if not done right
can actually produce significant amounts of silver nitrate. If you want almost
pure colloid, then try http://www.advanced-colloidal-silver.com/, which markets
Frank Key's ''mesosilver", and seems to ship it in bulk at considerably cheaper
shipping cost than if purchasing from Frank's own site at
http://www.purestcolloids.com/. You will find there plenty of analysis of
various products giving % ionic vs colloid, size distributions etc. Not cheap,
but if that's what you find works for you.........
regards, Kevin Nolan
----- Original Message -----
From: Ronen Yehiav
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 12:56 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Colloidal vs silver ions
So, what are the sure - fire ways to produce only silver colloids?
Ronen.
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Nolan
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Colloidal vs silver ions
Bob Bartell wrote:
"Dear Bobbye and all other novices. Colloidal silver made by the
electrolysis method, which is what we all use here on this list, is, for all
practical purposes, harmless and will not cause the discoloration of the skin
(argyria). The particles and ions are all too small to have this effect. The
discoloration is caused by ingesting silver compounds (silver nitrate, et al -
which are relatively huge particles like you find in some products like
Water-oz.)."
Actually, Bob, the particle size of ionic silver compounds like silver
nitrate when dissolved are, even allowing for solvation (surrounded by water
molecules), the smallest possible - ions. In that much the deceptive spiel of
WaterOz is correct. There are doubtless a number of factors determining whether
argyria results. Marshall Dudley has already explained a number. Silver nitrate
has far greater solubility than any other commonly available silver salt, and
thus the higher concentration available would of itself allow an overload of
the body's excretory capacity, locally at least. It should be remembered that
the home brewed LVDC CS is typically 70-95% ionic - as the dissociated compound
silver hydroxide. It's relatively low solubility is perhaps the main reason
no-one seems to have ever contracted argyria ingesting it. Beyond mere
concentration though it is known that nitrate ion is a tissue irritant and
poison in higher concentrations. Someone else may have a better idea but I
suspect nitrate has a specific action in predisposing tissue cells to react
with ionic silver and precipitate the particulate form to give argyria. That is
to say, I suspect other silver salts of equal silver concentration probably are
much less likely to result in argyria. As for any medication, allopathic or
herbal or whatever, there is also individual biochemistry to contend with. It
is possible Janis has a predisposition to argyria, but I don't suggest any
'controlled study' involving listers gulping down silver nitrate!
regards, Kevin Nolan
