RE: CS>Colloidal vs silver ionsWell we seem to have been talking different things Bob. Seems you were referring to the final outcome - the effect, which is indeed relatively large particles of silver and I suppose silver compounds in the skin and sometimes elsewhere. At any rate we all agree that silver nitrate is bad stuff.
Kevin Nolan ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Bartell To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 2:35 PM Subject: RE: CS>Colloidal vs silver ions OK Kevin ---- and others! Lets stop posturing with this pseudo science. Everyone of you knows that Argyria is caused by LARGE particles of silver compounds .. Not ions! Not Electro-Colloidal Silver ions or particles!. The human cells treat anything that is not a nutrient or cannot be converted into a nutrient or something useful to cells .. as garbage and begins an excretion process. If the molecules are too heavy or too large to follow the normal lymphatic excretory paths to and from the lymph nodes then they will be moved to the skin area for movement through the pores. Here they can get stuck in the subcutaneous layers - LARGE Particles that give the skin a subdermal blue tint. . not microscopically small ions. I repeat, nobody, not one single person, not even "Blue Rosemary" has ever turned blue from consuming Electro-Colloidal Silver! It hasn't happened and it wilI not happen in spite of all the off the shelf conjecture. I sometimes wonder if we are inviting the FDA to step in and settle the disagreements in favor of the pharmaceutical industry? Namaste: Bob Bartell -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Nolan [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 9:28 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: CS>Colloidal vs silver ions Bob Bartell wrote: "Dear Bobbye and all other novices. Colloidal silver made by the electrolysis method, which is what we all use here on this list, is, for all practical purposes, harmless and will not cause the discoloration of the skin (argyria). The particles and ions are all too small to have this effect. The discoloration is caused by ingesting silver compounds (silver nitrate, et al - which are relatively huge particles like you find in some products like Water-oz.)." Actually, Bob, the particle size of ionic silver compounds like silver nitrate when dissolved are, even allowing for solvation (surrounded by water molecules), the smallest possible - ions. In that much the deceptive spiel of WaterOz is correct. There are doubtless a number of factors determining whether argyria results. Marshall Dudley has already explained a number. Silver nitrate has far greater solubility than any other commonly available silver salt, and thus the higher concentration available would of itself allow an overload of the body's excretory capacity, locally at least. It should be remembered that the home brewed LVDC CS is typically 70-95% ionic - as the dissociated compound silver hydroxide. It's relatively low solubility is perhaps the main reason no-one seems to have ever contracted argyria ingesting it. Beyond mere concentration though it is known that nitrate ion is a tissue irritant and poison in higher concentrations. Someone else may have a better idea but I suspect nitrate has a specific action in predisposing tissue cells to react with ionic silver and precipitate the particulate form to give argyria. That is to say, I suspect other silver salts of equal silver concentration probably are much less likely to result in argyria. As for any medication, allopathic or herbal or whatever, there is also individual biochemistry to contend with. It is possible Janis has a predisposition to argyria, but I don't suggest any 'controlled study' involving listers gulping down silver nitrate! regards, Kevin Nolan
