OK Kevin ---- and others! Lets stop posturing with this pseudo science.
Everyone of you knows that Argyria is caused by LARGE particles of
silver compounds .. Not ions! Not Electro-Colloidal Silver ions or
particles!. The human cells treat anything that is not a nutrient or
cannot be converted into a nutrient or something useful to cells .. as
garbage and begins an excretion process. If the molecules are too heavy
or too large to follow the normal lymphatic excretory paths to and from
the lymph nodes then they will be moved to the skin area for movement
through the pores. Here they can get stuck in the subcutaneous layers -
LARGE Particles that give the skin a subdermal blue tint. . not
microscopically small ions. I repeat, nobody, not one single person, not
even "Blue Rosemary" has ever turned blue from consuming
Electro-Colloidal Silver! It hasn't happened and it wilI not happen in
spite of all the off the shelf conjecture. I sometimes wonder if we are
inviting the FDA to step in and settle the disagreements in favor of the
pharmaceutical industry? Namaste: Bob Bartell
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Nolan [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 9:28 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: CS>Colloidal vs silver ions
Bob Bartell wrote:
"Dear Bobbye and all other novices. Colloidal silver
made by the electrolysis method, which is what we all use here on this
list, is, for all practical purposes, harmless and will not cause the
discoloration of the skin (argyria). The particles and ions are all too
small to have this effect. The discoloration is caused by ingesting
silver compounds (silver nitrate, et al - which are relatively huge
particles like you find in some products like Water-oz.)."
Actually, Bob, the particle size of ionic silver
compounds like silver nitrate when dissolved are, even allowing for
solvation (surrounded by water molecules), the smallest possible - ions.
In that much the deceptive spiel of WaterOz is correct. There are
doubtless a number of factors determining whether argyria results.
Marshall Dudley has already explained a number. Silver nitrate has far
greater solubility than any other commonly available silver salt, and
thus the higher concentration available would of itself allow an
overload of the body's excretory capacity, locally at least. It should
be remembered that the home brewed LVDC CS is typically 70-95% ionic -
as the dissociated compound silver hydroxide. It's relatively low
solubility is perhaps the main reason no-one seems to have ever
contracted argyria ingesting it. Beyond mere concentration though it is
known that nitrate ion is a tissue irritant and poison in higher
concentrations. Someone else may have a better idea but I suspect
nitrate has a specific action in predisposing tissue cells to react with
ionic silver and precipitate the particulate form to give argyria. That
is to say, I suspect other silver salts of equal silver concentration
probably are much less likely to result in argyria. As for any
medication, allopathic or herbal or whatever, there is also individual
biochemistry to contend with. It is possible Janis has a predisposition
to argyria, but I don't suggest any 'controlled study' involving listers
gulping down silver nitrate!
regards, Kevin Nolan
