Everyone seems to be missing a couple of points. The risk factor 3 to 9 grams [assuming the range rather than the figure] "ACCUMULATED" over a lifetime could be days, months or decades and is not 'especially' relevent to the form of silver injested though it's probably a major factor...a factor, specific to 'EIS' [electrically isolated colloidal and ionic silver in water], that the studies don't address at all. Silver arsephenamine is something like thousands of PPM silver? [I think it was once used to treat gonorrhea? ..and the other element is Arsenic.] If it's injected over a short period of time, you get ALL of that silver and virtually no time to eliminate any, so it will be "retained" in short order. Who knows what the Arsenic does to elimination rates? Even then argyria was not a given but an extreme exception, probably because the treatment only lasted for a few days with the exeptions having to do with other unbalances that prevented normal elimination.
If you make CS in tap or salt water without any process controls at all, you only make a certain amount of silver salts before the minerals are used up. What is happening though, is extreme runaway where you wind up with hundreds and hundreds of PPM [probably black] silver sludge. If you drink copious amounts of that every day for years [like Stan did]...you are at risk. You have not allowed any elimination time to speak of and the doses are quite high. Running a cup of highly conductive water with no controls for an hour could easily make very low quality 200+ PPM CS. I'll bet that Stan ran through electrodes like mad. If you use CS at 10 to 20 PPM, you can't consume enough silver before the water... or old age ...kills you to overwhelm the elimination rate. MAYBE you can develop argyria in 150 years of daily substitution of water with that CS...point being, people don't live long enough to "accumulate" 3-9 grams when 94+ % is leaving every 24 hours. [Someone who's good at math can figure it out?] ...and only people who have life threatening illness would even consider using that much CS for that long. The majority of people with those illnesses are older to start with. Silver , in oral doses, gets eliminated at the rate of around 94% in 24 hours. How much actually gets absorbed is a factor there too. Inhaled doses of silver dust, 90+% in 30 days. It ALL must be processed. Injected silver, likewise. [Don't know the elimination rate but obviously, you won't be injecting gallons of 10-20 PPM CS daily over a period of years ] Very small particles and ions should be processed much faster than the chunks [dust] and stable compounds that were used to establish elimination rates, so, the established elimination rates are slow in our specific application of relatively small doses over short and long periods of time. Ode At 09:53 AM 4/10/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Terry said: >"I have read that CS should be taken on an empty >stomach for it to be effective. Obviously you feel >there is also value in taking CS even if combined with >various foods...could you elaborate?" > >The whole 'under the tongue' or 'on an empty stomach' >thing is relevant if you are buying CS and taking >small amounts of it to minimize the cost. When you >drink it freely, I doubt that it matters. I seriously >doubt that one teaspoon under the tongue will give my >body as much CS or any more benefit than 6-8 oz drunk >in a cup of herb tea. If I needed to economize, I >would use it carefully. When the cost of CS is only >slightly higher (and I mean slightly) than the cost of >distilled water, I don't economize. I need to drink >plenty of water anyway, I just make a large portion of >it water with silver in it. > >The woman who reported to me that she had had >marvelous success against her MS drinking 16-24 oz/day >alerted me to the dynamic of copious quantities of CS. > >I have explored the EPA site >(http://www.epa.gov/iris/subst/0099.htm) thoroughly, >and it is irrelevant to the CS we make and ingest. > >Please notice what they are talking about: > >"Gaul and Staud (1935) reported 70 cases of >generalized argyria following organic and colloidal >silver medication, including 13 cases of generalized >argyria following intravenous silver arsphenamine >injection therapy... Argyria developed after a total >dose of 4, 7 or 8 g in some patients, while in others, >argyria did not develop until after a total dose of >10, 15 or 20 g. The authors concluded that argyria may >become clinically apparent after a total accumulated >i.v. dose of approximately 8 g of silver arsphenamine. >The book entitled "Argyria. The Pharmacology of >Silver" reached the same conclusion, that a total >accumulative i.v. dose of 8 gm silver arsphenamine is >the limit beyond which argyria may develop (Hill and >Pillsbury, 1939)." > >Despite their use of the words "colloidal silver", >they are talking about silver compounds, NOT >electrically isolated silver particles (and absolutely >not ionic silver). They are NOT talking about what we >use, they are commenting on silver MEDICINES. >Virtually nothing said on this EPA site refers to what >we use. > >Neither is anything that Jason posted relevant to what >we use. > >Jason said: >"Alexander G. Schauss, Hopkins PHD though he is, is >wrong. The EPA established RISK for silver is 3.8 >grams, not per day, but over a lifetime..." > >Wrong, Jason. I disagree completely. The EPA >established (actually, guessed, not established) risk >is 3.8 grams of silver COMPOUNDS, or even silver >powder, NOT colloidal silver. > >"You'd have to chop tiny silver chips to ingest 3.8 >grams a day or mix ground silver with your water, and >doing so would not turn you blue, it would eventually >kill you, probably before you turned blue..." > >Absolutely. In fact, it is impossible to drink too >much CS. > >"Silver is going to be retained in the major organs >prior to the skin; this has been demonstrated over and >over with "lab rat" type studies and autopsies..." > >Wrong again. Silver COMPOUNDS and silver POWDER will >be retained in the major organs, not colloidal silver >such as we make and ingest. > >"The established minimum critical dose is 1.9 >milligrams daily. [Of what?] While this number is >contested, [thoroughly, as the EPA admits] it's a >pretty close approximation to what is accepted by the >World Health Organization [now there's a credibility >gap] and the EPA, and it is based on the available >scientific data, [which concerns silver compounds, NOT >colloidal silver] which, granted, has a great many >holes that have never been filled, especially >concerning isolated silver products." > >Jason, I am not attacking you, but your post had the >affect of inferring that, if you weren't careful, that >if there were a few minerals in your water, you could >very well poison yourself. I think that's >preposterous. Many, many people have made (and are >making) CS with tap to river water and I haven't heard >of anything blue happening to them. > >I absolutely do not believe it's possible to harm >yourself in any way from CS made with pure water, >silver and electricity. > >As a last point, here is the content of something Beck >wrote about using CS: > >A FEW UNIQUE PLUS TRADITIONAL USES FOR COLLOIDAL >SILVER > >Add to suspected drinking water when traveling or >camping. Silver-sprayed burns heal rapidly without >scarring. Safely sterilize anything from toothbrushes >to surgical instruments. Use topically on cuts, >wounds, abrasions, rashes, sunburn, insect bites, >razor nicks and bandages. Spray on garbage to prevent >decay odors. Mist kitchen sponges, towels, cutting >boards to eliminate E. Coli and salmonella bacteria to >prevent food poisoning and gastrointestinal >inflammation. > >Add when canning, preserving or bottling. Use like >peroxide on zits and acne. Add to juices and milk to >prevent spoiling, fermenting, deteriorating, >clabbering or curdling. Spray in shoes and between >toes to stop most skin itch, athletes foot and fungi. >Diminish dandruff, psoriasis, skin rashes, etc. Add to >bath water, gargle, douches, colon irrigation, nasal >spray and dental water-pic solutions. Cuts downtime >dramatically from colds, flu, pneumonia, staph, strep, >respiratory infections and rhino viruses. Skin itch, >eye irritation or infection (dilute a small amount >with an equal amount of distilled water for eye use) >and ear infections (warm slightly first), some moles >and warts vanish (put on bandaid pad and wear on wart >overnight each night until gone). Use with Q-tips on >fingernail, toenail, and ear fungi. Can impede tooth >decay and bad breath. Unlike pharmaceutical >antibiotics, Colloidal Silver never permits >strain-resistant pathogens to evolve. > >Toothaches, mouth sores, bacterial irritations are >diminished. Soak dentures. Spray refrigerator, freezer >and food storage bin interiors. Mix in postage stamp, >envelope, and tape moistening wells, paint and paste >pots to prevent bacterial growth, odors, spoiling or >souring. Add to water-based paints, wallpaper paste, >dishwater, cleaning and mopping solutions, etc. Spray >pet bedding and let dry. > >Spray on top of contents of opened jam, jelly, and >condiment containers and inside lids before replacing. >Mix a little in pet water, birdbaths, cut flower >vases. Add to swamp cooler water. Spray air >conditioner filters after cleaning. Swab air ducts and >vents to prevent breeding sites for germs. Use >routinely in laundry final rinse water and always >before packing away seasonal clothes. Damp clothes or >towels and washcloths will not sour or mildew. >Eliminate unwanted microorganisms in planter soils and >hydroponics systems. Spray plant foliage to stop >fungi, molds, rot, and most plant diseases. Silver is >an excellent plant-growth stimulator. > >Treat pools, fountains, humidifiers, Jacuzzis, hot >tubs, baths, dishwashers, re-circulating cooling tower >water, gymnasium foot dips, and bath and shower mats. >Spray inside shoes, watch bands and gloves and under >fingernails periodically. Treat shower stalls, tubs, >fonts, animal watering troughs, shavers to avoid >trading germs. Rinse fruit and vegetables before >storing or using. Put in cooking water. Add to human >and animal shampoos and they become disinfectants. >Prevent carpets, drapes and wallpaper from mildewing. >Wipe telephone mouthpieces, pipe stems, headphones, >hearing aids, eyeglass frames, hairbrushes, combs, >loofas. Excellent for diapers and diaper rash. Do >toilet seats, bowls, tile floors, sinks, urinals, door >knobs. Kills persistent odors. Rinse invalid's >pillowcases, sheets, towels and bedclothes. There are >literally thousands of other essential uses for this >odorless, nearly tasteless and colorless, totally >benign, powerful, non-toxic disinfectant and healing >agent. You'll find that a spray or misting bottle of >Colloidal Silver solution may be the most useful >health enhancement tool in your environment. > >Dosage: >Some people, when first ingesting Colloidal Silver, >have the experience that is called the Herxheimer >effect. This experience is a result of the silver very >efficiently killing off too many pathogens too fast >for the body to dispose of through the normal >eliminative organs. This forces the body to utilize >the secondary eliminative organs: the lungs, sinuses >and skin. Sometimes a new Colloidal Silver user who >ingests Colloidal Silver for the first time will >experience what feels like a cold or the flu (or >diarrhea). This can be stopped by cutting back on the >dosage (or completely abstaining for a day or so), or >prevented by starting with a small dose (1/4 to 1 >teaspoon twice a day) and gradually increasing the >dosage. Some people even find they need to start off >at first with just a few drops. People who are trying >to self-treat a significant health condition (like >asthma, or an internal infection) may need to work up >to fairly large quantities each day (4 to 6 oz 2-3 >times per day) before they see an improvement. There >are no known instances of anyone overdosing with >Colloidal Silver. > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca > > >-- >The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > >Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > >To post, address your message to: [email protected] >Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >Address Off-Topic messages to: [email protected] >OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > >List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> > >
