----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew McCann PE" <[email protected]> To: "Ode Coyote" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 9:11 AM Subject: Re: CS>Argyria risk
> Hi, Ode, > > Thanks for your astute remarks. It makes me wonder if > any deep-pocketed R&D group has ever investigated > LVDC EIS/CS thoroughly. > Coburn and Dignan in their preface attibute to Dr Robert > Beck the process and product which we now call > LVDC EIS/CS. Do you happen to know the circumstances (e.g. DoD -funded r&d > ?) that lead him > to his discoveries? > > Thanks for your input. > > Best regards, > > Matthew > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ode Coyote" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 7:42 AM > Subject: Re: CS>Argyria risk > > > > Everyone seems to be missing a couple of points. > > The risk factor 3 to 9 grams [assuming the range rather than the figure] > > "ACCUMULATED" over a lifetime could be days, months or decades and is not > > 'especially' relevent to the form of silver injested though it's probably > a > > major factor...a factor, specific to 'EIS' [electrically isolated > colloidal > > and ionic silver in water], that the studies don't address at all. > > Silver arsephenamine is something like thousands of PPM silver? [I think > > it was once used to treat gonorrhea? ..and the other element is Arsenic.] > > If it's injected over a short period of time, you get ALL of that silver > > and virtually no time to eliminate any, so it will be "retained" in short > > order. Who knows what the Arsenic does to elimination rates? Even then > > argyria was not a given but an extreme exception, probably because the > > treatment only lasted for a few days with the exeptions having to do with > > other unbalances that prevented normal elimination. > > > > If you make CS in tap or salt water without any process controls at all, > > you only make a certain amount of silver salts before the minerals are > used > > up. What is happening though, is extreme runaway where you wind up with > > hundreds and hundreds of PPM [probably black] silver sludge. If you drink > > copious amounts of that every day for years [like Stan did]...you are at > > risk. You have not allowed any elimination time to speak of and the doses > > are quite high. Running a cup of highly conductive water with no controls > > for an hour could easily make very low quality 200+ PPM CS. > > I'll bet that Stan ran through electrodes like mad. > > > > If you use CS at 10 to 20 PPM, you can't consume enough silver before the > > water... or old age ...kills you to overwhelm the elimination rate. MAYBE > > you can develop argyria in 150 years of daily substitution of water with > > that CS...point being, people don't live long enough to "accumulate" 3-9 > > grams when 94+ % is leaving every 24 hours. [Someone who's good at math > can > > figure it out?] > > ...and only people who have life threatening illness would even consider > > using that much CS for that long. > > The majority of people with those illnesses are older to start with. > > > > Silver , in oral doses, gets eliminated at the rate of around 94% in 24 > > hours. How much actually gets absorbed is a factor there too. > > Inhaled doses of silver dust, 90+% in 30 days. It ALL must be > processed. > > Injected silver, likewise. [Don't know the elimination rate but > obviously, > > you won't be injecting gallons of 10-20 PPM CS daily over a period of > years ] > > Very small particles and ions should be processed much faster than the > > chunks [dust] and stable compounds that were used to establish elimination > > rates, so, the established elimination rates are slow in our specific > > application of relatively small doses over short and long periods of time. > > > > Ode > > > > > > At 09:53 AM 4/10/2004 -0400, you wrote: > > >Terry said: > > >"I have read that CS should be taken on an empty > > >stomach for it to be effective. Obviously you feel > > >there is also value in taking CS even if combined with > > >various foods...could you elaborate?" > > > > > >The whole 'under the tongue' or 'on an empty stomach' > > >thing is relevant if you are buying CS and taking > > >small amounts of it to minimize the cost. When you > > >drink it freely, I doubt that it matters. I seriously > > >doubt that one teaspoon under the tongue will give my > > >body as much CS or any more benefit than 6-8 oz drunk > > >in a cup of herb tea. If I needed to economize, I > > >would use it carefully. When the cost of CS is only > > >slightly higher (and I mean slightly) than the cost of > > >distilled water, I don't economize. I need to drink > > >plenty of water anyway, I just make a large portion of > > >it water with silver in it. > > > > > >The woman who reported to me that she had had > > >marvelous success against her MS drinking 16-24 oz/day > > >alerted me to the dynamic of copious quantities of CS. > > > > > >I have explored the EPA site > > >(http://www.epa.gov/iris/subst/0099.htm) thoroughly, > > >and it is irrelevant to the CS we make and ingest. > > > > > >Please notice what they are talking about: > > > > > >"Gaul and Staud (1935) reported 70 cases of > > >generalized argyria following organic and colloidal > > >silver medication, including 13 cases of generalized > > >argyria following intravenous silver arsphenamine > > >injection therapy... Argyria developed after a total > > >dose of 4, 7 or 8 g in some patients, while in others, > > >argyria did not develop until after a total dose of > > >10, 15 or 20 g. The authors concluded that argyria may > > >become clinically apparent after a total accumulated > > >i.v. dose of approximately 8 g of silver arsphenamine. > > >The book entitled "Argyria. The Pharmacology of > > >Silver" reached the same conclusion, that a total > > >accumulative i.v. dose of 8 gm silver arsphenamine is > > >the limit beyond which argyria may develop (Hill and > > >Pillsbury, 1939)." > > > > > >Despite their use of the words "colloidal silver", > > >they are talking about silver compounds, NOT > > >electrically isolated silver particles (and absolutely > > >not ionic silver). They are NOT talking about what we > > >use, they are commenting on silver MEDICINES. > > >Virtually nothing said on this EPA site refers to what > > >we use. > > > > > >Neither is anything that Jason posted relevant to what > > >we use. > > > > > >Jason said: > > >"Alexander G. Schauss, Hopkins PHD though he is, is > > >wrong. The EPA established RISK for silver is 3.8 > > >grams, not per day, but over a lifetime..." > > > > > >Wrong, Jason. I disagree completely. The EPA > > >established (actually, guessed, not established) risk > > >is 3.8 grams of silver COMPOUNDS, or even silver > > >powder, NOT colloidal silver. > > > > > >"You'd have to chop tiny silver chips to ingest 3.8 > > >grams a day or mix ground silver with your water, and > > >doing so would not turn you blue, it would eventually > > >kill you, probably before you turned blue..." > > > > > >Absolutely. In fact, it is impossible to drink too > > >much CS. > > > > > >"Silver is going to be retained in the major organs > > >prior to the skin; this has been demonstrated over and > > >over with "lab rat" type studies and autopsies..." > > > > > >Wrong again. Silver COMPOUNDS and silver POWDER will > > >be retained in the major organs, not colloidal silver > > >such as we make and ingest. > > > > > >"The established minimum critical dose is 1.9 > > >milligrams daily. [Of what?] While this number is > > >contested, [thoroughly, as the EPA admits] it's a > > >pretty close approximation to what is accepted by the > > >World Health Organization [now there's a credibility > > >gap] and the EPA, and it is based on the available > > >scientific data, [which concerns silver compounds, NOT > > >colloidal silver] which, granted, has a great many > > >holes that have never been filled, especially > > >concerning isolated silver products." > > > > > >Jason, I am not attacking you, but your post had the > > >affect of inferring that, if you weren't careful, that > > >if there were a few minerals in your water, you could > > >very well poison yourself. I think that's > > >preposterous. Many, many people have made (and are > > >making) CS with tap to river water and I haven't heard > > >of anything blue happening to them. > > > > > >I absolutely do not believe it's possible to harm > > >yourself in any way from CS made with pure water, > > >silver and electricity. > > > > > >As a last point, here is the content of something Beck > > >wrote about using CS: > > > > > >A FEW UNIQUE PLUS TRADITIONAL USES FOR COLLOIDAL > > >SILVER > > > > > >Add to suspected drinking water when traveling or > > >camping. Silver-sprayed burns heal rapidly without > > >scarring. Safely sterilize anything from toothbrushes > > >to surgical instruments. Use topically on cuts, > > >wounds, abrasions, rashes, sunburn, insect bites, > > >razor nicks and bandages. Spray on garbage to prevent > > >decay odors. Mist kitchen sponges, towels, cutting > > >boards to eliminate E. Coli and salmonella bacteria to > > >prevent food poisoning and gastrointestinal > > >inflammation. > > > > > >Add when canning, preserving or bottling. Use like > > >peroxide on zits and acne. Add to juices and milk to > > >prevent spoiling, fermenting, deteriorating, > > >clabbering or curdling. Spray in shoes and between > > >toes to stop most skin itch, athletes foot and fungi. > > >Diminish dandruff, psoriasis, skin rashes, etc. Add to > > >bath water, gargle, douches, colon irrigation, nasal > > >spray and dental water-pic solutions. Cuts downtime > > >dramatically from colds, flu, pneumonia, staph, strep, > > >respiratory infections and rhino viruses. Skin itch, > > >eye irritation or infection (dilute a small amount > > >with an equal amount of distilled water for eye use) > > >and ear infections (warm slightly first), some moles > > >and warts vanish (put on bandaid pad and wear on wart > > >overnight each night until gone). Use with Q-tips on > > >fingernail, toenail, and ear fungi. Can impede tooth > > >decay and bad breath. Unlike pharmaceutical > > >antibiotics, Colloidal Silver never permits > > >strain-resistant pathogens to evolve. > > > > > >Toothaches, mouth sores, bacterial irritations are > > >diminished. Soak dentures. Spray refrigerator, freezer > > >and food storage bin interiors. Mix in postage stamp, > > >envelope, and tape moistening wells, paint and paste > > >pots to prevent bacterial growth, odors, spoiling or > > >souring. Add to water-based paints, wallpaper paste, > > >dishwater, cleaning and mopping solutions, etc. Spray > > >pet bedding and let dry. > > > > > >Spray on top of contents of opened jam, jelly, and > > >condiment containers and inside lids before replacing. > > >Mix a little in pet water, birdbaths, cut flower > > >vases. Add to swamp cooler water. Spray air > > >conditioner filters after cleaning. Swab air ducts and > > >vents to prevent breeding sites for germs. Use > > >routinely in laundry final rinse water and always > > >before packing away seasonal clothes. Damp clothes or > > >towels and washcloths will not sour or mildew. > > >Eliminate unwanted microorganisms in planter soils and > > >hydroponics systems. Spray plant foliage to stop > > >fungi, molds, rot, and most plant diseases. Silver is > > >an excellent plant-growth stimulator. > > > > > >Treat pools, fountains, humidifiers, Jacuzzis, hot > > >tubs, baths, dishwashers, re-circulating cooling tower > > >water, gymnasium foot dips, and bath and shower mats. > > >Spray inside shoes, watch bands and gloves and under > > >fingernails periodically. Treat shower stalls, tubs, > > >fonts, animal watering troughs, shavers to avoid > > >trading germs. Rinse fruit and vegetables before > > >storing or using. Put in cooking water. Add to human > > >and animal shampoos and they become disinfectants. > > >Prevent carpets, drapes and wallpaper from mildewing. > > >Wipe telephone mouthpieces, pipe stems, headphones, > > >hearing aids, eyeglass frames, hairbrushes, combs, > > >loofas. Excellent for diapers and diaper rash. Do > > >toilet seats, bowls, tile floors, sinks, urinals, door > > >knobs. Kills persistent odors. Rinse invalid's > > >pillowcases, sheets, towels and bedclothes. There are > > >literally thousands of other essential uses for this > > >odorless, nearly tasteless and colorless, totally > > >benign, powerful, non-toxic disinfectant and healing > > >agent. You'll find that a spray or misting bottle of > > >Colloidal Silver solution may be the most useful > > >health enhancement tool in your environment. > > > > > >Dosage: > > >Some people, when first ingesting Colloidal Silver, > > >have the experience that is called the Herxheimer > > >effect. This experience is a result of the silver very > > >efficiently killing off too many pathogens too fast > > >for the body to dispose of through the normal > > >eliminative organs. This forces the body to utilize > > >the secondary eliminative organs: the lungs, sinuses > > >and skin. Sometimes a new Colloidal Silver user who > > >ingests Colloidal Silver for the first time will > > >experience what feels like a cold or the flu (or > > >diarrhea). This can be stopped by cutting back on the > > >dosage (or completely abstaining for a day or so), or > > >prevented by starting with a small dose (1/4 to 1 > > >teaspoon twice a day) and gradually increasing the > > >dosage. Some people even find they need to start off > > >at first with just a few drops. People who are trying > > >to self-treat a significant health condition (like > > >asthma, or an internal infection) may need to work up > > >to fairly large quantities each day (4 to 6 oz 2-3 > > >times per day) before they see an improvement. There > > >are no known instances of anyone overdosing with > > >Colloidal Silver. > > > > > > > > >______________________________________________________________________ > > >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca > > > > > > > > >-- > > >The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > > >Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > > >To post, address your message to: [email protected] > > >Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > > >Address Off-Topic messages to: [email protected] > > >OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > > >List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > >
