Re: CS>H2o2 From: Ode Coyote Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 07:12:34 > I think it was Nancy Delise that showed a micrograph of CS taken > by a water treatment plant before and after adding peroxide that > proves the case out.
> Frank Key could run something definitive, if he were so inclined. > Ode Hi Ken, Those photographs raise a number of questions. 1. How do we know the shiny particles in the photos are made of silver? It could be simple dust particles due to room air contamination. 2. If the particles were indeed silver, how were they created? Silver is insoluble in dw, as Frank Key went to extraordinary lengths to discover. There is a slight possibility that silver crystals could be etched from the surface of the electrode while the electrolysis process is following a grain boundary. However, it is difficult to see how electrolysis could work underneath a crystal, since it would shield the electric field necessary to liberate silver ions. Perhaps your extensive experience in plating would give some guidance. But in order to keep the chemical equations balanced, it is difficult to see how pure silver can be created during electrolysis. The only source of electrons near the anode is the hydroxyl ion, OH-. When it meets a silver ion, it creates silver hydroxide, which is unstable and may covert to plain silver oxide. The same thing happens at the cathode. This is the soft black or dark brown coating everyone wipes off their electrodes. If the current density is low enough, silver ions can plate out at the cathode. This is the source of the gray whiskers on the cathode at the end of the brew. As you explained long ago, the silver atoms enclose hydrogen bubbles to form the sludge. However, it is not clear that Nancy's cs generator ran at low enough current for this to occur. It is easy to tell the difference H2O2 has on silver oxide vs pure silver. If you put a drop on your silver electrode and look at the reaction under a microscope, you see tiny bubbles forming rather slowly. If you evaporate several ounces of cs to form silver oxide/hydroxide as I described in recent posts, then add H2O2, the reaction is much faster. It bubbles and fizzes as it liberates oxygen. The result is a clear solution of silver ions. Then, if you add salt, a very dense cloud of silver chloride is produced. This shows the H2O2 converts the silver oxide/hydroxide back to silver ions, and kept them separated. The reason I mention this is if the particles in Nancy's photos are silver, it would take days or weeks to covert them to ions. The reaction of H2O2 on pure silver is extremely slow. You can show this yourself by making some silver sludge in your Silverpuppy, then adding H2O2 to convert it to ions. The sludge particles will bubble for a very long time, no matter how much H2O2 you add to the solution. So I am not sure what the shiny particles in Nancy's photos are, but I don't think they are silver metal. Best Wishes, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: [email protected] Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: [email protected] OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]>
