Mike Monett wrote: > Re: CS>Adding peroxide to CS > From: Marshall Dudley > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 21:08:25 > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m72757.html > > Hi Marshall, > > I combined two posts to simplify things, and split the first para > into separate sentences to analyze. Hope it's ok.. > > > OK, I just ran a test. > > > I started with 5 ppm EIS, approximately 80% ionic. > > > I put equal amounts into to containers, and added a few drops of > > H2O2 to one of them. > > > I could see no difference between, they were both crystal clear. > > > I then added a pinch of salt to both. > > > The one without H2O2 immediately formed AgCl and turned milky. > > I'm surprised you got such a fast reaction adding NaCl to 5 ppm cs. > Normally, it takes several minutes at this concentration. You should > get a pale blue dispersion that is barely visible unless you hold it > in the light just the right way.
I actually do hold it up under a flourescent light and look at it against a dark background about 90 degrees from the direction of the light. It is very pale, like water with a very small amount of milk in it. > > > I really think you have a lot more that 5 ppm cs. Can you measure > the ppm with a Hanna? If so, 1 uS = 1 ppm. Are you using constant > current? If so, you can calculate the max ppm using the Faraday > equations in Mercury. I use a $5,000 Hach scanning photospectrometer to measure it. It is very close to 5 ppm. > > > How do you know the cs was 80% ionic? It usually takes a very high > current density to get this much oxide. For example, 3 nines run to > the max like this: Frank Key measured it. The current is about 100 mA on about .1 square inch, not atypical for HVAC. > > > http://www.utopiasilver.com/images/gen3.jpg > > > The one that had had H2O2 added to it stayed crystal clear. > > There is some very strange chemistry when NaCl is added to H2O2 and > high-ionic CS. Here is what happened when I tried it. I doubt I will > ever figure out how to write the equations that describe this: > > "When H2O2 is added to the cs made with Godzilla, the salt test > does nothing for a few seconds. Then a huge cloud of bubbles > appears and the salt disappears. I have never seen this reaction > before." > > "I repeat the same test over and over until I am almost out of > salt. The same thing happens. Then finally I get a strong > dispersion." > > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m61977.html > > Now, I was getting pretty high ppm with Godzilla, and the salt test > went haywire with H2O2. So this is another reason I think your > figure of 5 ppm is way too low. I am quite certain the 5 ppm is quite close. How much H2O2 did you add? I only used a few drops. > > > > I can think of only 2 possibilities for this: > > > 1. Silver ions were reduced to a colloid of silver atoms. > > 2. Silver ions became silver oxide, and it dissolved. > > Marshall, there are a lot more possibilities, but please write the > balanced equations! This will tell you if something is possible or > not:) Na+ + H2O2 -> NaO + H2O2 > > > Also note silver chloride dissolves in ammonia: > > AgCl + 2 NH3 --> Ag(NH3)2+ + Cl- > > This might be an additional diagnostic test if the H2O2 doesn't > interfere. I already ran that test, and it goes after adding ammonia. > > > Re: CS>Adding peroxide to CS > From: Marshall Dudley > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 21:19:31 > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m72758.html > > > OK, I have confirmed that converting silver chloride to silver > > oxide is exothermic, which means that the silver oxide is more > > stable. > > Marshall, this is very interesting. If silver chloride does not > dissolve in the stomach, does this mean silver oxides are even more > inacessible to the body? Why would you think that? Silver oxide dissolves in water, silver chloride almost does not. Silver chloride will saturate at 0.8 PPM in cold water, silver oxide at 13 ppm, or about 16 times higher. Thus only if the CS has a concentration over about 13 ppm would the silver oxide not totally dissolve. Add this to the fact that once this crosses into the blood stream it will react with the glucose in the blood, producing colloidal silver of atom size! Might explain the good results people have had with this. The downside is that silver oxide is light sensitive though. I am planning on continuing the experimentation today by taking some resistance measurements as I go to try to figure the ionic content, and use some glucose to make the silver oxide revert to atoms. But first I am going to make some silver chloride and verify that the H2O2 does indeed clear it like I expect. > > > According to various web sites I came across, silver ions are from > hundreds to thousands of times more effective than silver chloride > in killing bacteria. I believe your information shows the oxides are > inert, and therefore have no effect in the body except perhaps to > contribute to argyria. Since the ions will become silver chloride as soon as it hits the stomach, and most will precipitate out never making it to the blood stream, how could they be more effective? I don't believe that when silver oxide comes in contact with the sugar in the blood it reduces to silver metal could be construed as being inert. > > > > Thus possibility 2 of the previous message is not eliminated as I > > had hoped it would be. > > > See http://www.finishing.com/195/29.html > > > This article also gives some extremely interesting information. > > Dextrose will reduce silver oxide to silver metal! Honey is about > > 50% dextrose (aka glucose), so that may be why some people feel > > that adding a drop of honey when making CS is a good idea, it > > converts any silver oxide formed to silver particles. > > Fascinating - where do you dig up this information? Google search. > > > > So, according to this, one should be able to convert all the > > silver ions in EIS to silver atoms and silver particles by adding > > H2O2, and if that gives AgO, adding a little glucose, or honey. > > How do we make a test that will show this? (And how do we write the > equations:)? Ag+ + H2O2 -> AgO + H2O 12AgO + C6H12O6 -> 12Ag + 6CO2 + 6H2O If this is the actual way it reacts, then this could produce 12 silver Atoms, or a silver particle of 12 atoms. > > > > Marshall > > Best Wishes, > > Mike Monett > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: [email protected] > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: [email protected] > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]>
