I see what you're getting at with the evaporation. I can see that peroxide dissolves Silver oxides when blackened electrodes are placed in peroxide.
I just did a quicker little experiment. I took 3% H2O2 and dissolved a pinch of salt in it. [No visible reaction] Took some colorless CS at 9.5 uS and a very heavy TE [almost turbid] and added it to the Peroxide/ salt solution. [No visible reaction..well, if anything, got "slightly" clearer..hard to say]. Added some of the same CS to distilled water to get about the same dilution. They both look identical...maybe a "hint" of a difference, maybe not. Dripped some peroxide on a cutting board to see if it was still peroxide. [violent fizzing] Added a pinch of salt to the CS/distilled water and stirred till dissolved [still looks identical..no reaction] Put peroxide into same batch sample, added salt [no reaction] I dunno, I'm freakin lost. I'm just not seeing it. Too many possibilities and strangenesses. Why would copper wire remove all traces of color, drop the conductivity of a batch from 36 uS to 5 uS and remove all traces of a TE while making great big fluffy bubbly black deposits on the bottom, yet the copper remains nice and shiny for weeks and weeks, then gets a green corrosion going? That batch used to taste like rocket fuel and look like tea... now it tastes and looks like distilled water. I just sucked up a big clump of the fluffy black stuff up in a straw and put it peroxide. It fizzed and went colorless and clear almost instantly. It did dissolve and continues to fizz every time I stir it. [When it quits , I'll add some salt] Later...well, it never did quite stop fizzing when stirred but I'm impatient..adding salt. Yes indeed, violent reaction and milkyness. Conclusion? [a good guess?] My colorless CS with very strong TE has little or no oxide in it. The TE is what? Metallic silver particles maybe? Adding peroxide to my colorless CS has never made the TE go away or reduce in intesity. [Never converted metallic silver? to ions] If anything, the TE generally increases. [Ions to silver?] I've never seen a reaction of ions with salt that amounted to much, if anything...maybe a slightly blue tinge in direct sunlight? Even adding both peroxide and salt to it doesn't make it go milky. No reaction with salt and peroxide mix. Mega reaction with salt, peroxide and dissolved silver oxide mix. Are you sure peroxide produces ions? ..or is it just that peroxide dissolves oxides into it where plain water doesn't. CS of 'color' apparently has undissolved/suspended oxides in it, possibly accounting for both color and particle size with smaller being yellowish and not settling out ... very large being black and settling out? Evaporating ionic CS oxidizes it as well. The more concentrated, the better the interface with oxygen from the air. Copper catalyses an oxidation reaction dropping virtually all the silver in any form straight to the bottom as a black frothy mess. Is it possible that running a high current density in hot water produces small amounts of hydrogen peroxide which dissolves a certain amount of silver oxide into a clear solution which, after it becomes saturated, colored particles will still develop and that peroxide/silver oxide componant will interface salt with silver oxides to produce the milky effect or silver chloride if salt is added? You know, it's looking to me like silver ions and salt don't make silver chloride, but that silver oxides and salt does, with hydrogen peroxide as a catalyst or interface of some sort that also allows otherwise insoluable oxides to be dissolved into the water with no tell tale color. It seems reasonabe to me that a EIS generator could be run in such a way that hydrogen peroxide is produced. All the needed elements and energies are there. OK, another test. Batch run and evaporated to 6 oz at 86 uS, deep yellow brown, treated with 4 drops of peroxide to clear it...almost a month ago. Now colorless with extremely dense and fine textured TE, somewhat milky looking in direct light and tends to take on any color near it..especially bark brown making it look a bit black...looks clear when looking through it at a diffused light. This stuff is all over the place uS wise, Started at 86.6 uS before adding peroxide, the other day it was, what, 79 uS?..I posted it and forgot [lower, anyhow] and today its 111.2 uS. What the heck? Pull sample...Add a pinch of salt, stir to dissolve completely...no reaction. Before and after appear to be identical. I don't have any currently colored CS to add salt to and very rarely wind up with any. Maybe I'll crank up the current, nix the stirrers and make some on purpose soon. Maybe strings of equations aren't including all the hidden factors, we don't really know what they all are...and they differ from person to person / generator to generator / process to process. Maybe the H2O2.com equation is correct [seems to me that it is] and we're watching something else entirely. That's about as far as the seat of my pants can figure. ["poot"] ode At 06:59 PM 8/24/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Re: CS>Adding peroxide to CS >From: Ode Coyote >Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:56:25 >http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m72856.html > > > X-Sender: [email protected] (Unverified) > > X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) > > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 13:50:34 -0400 > > To: [email protected] > > From: odecoyote <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: H2O2.com - Email Us Form > > >>Reply-To: "Kristin Mills" <[email protected]> > >>From: "Kristin Mills" <[email protected]> > >>To: "Kenneth Steckenrider" <[email protected]> > >>Subject: Re: H2O2.com - Email Us Form > >>Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:54:14 -0400 > >>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > >>X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 > >>X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 > > >>Mr. Steckenrider, > > [...snip contents of letter to Ode] > > Hi Ken > > I also wrote h2o2.com a year ago and asked the same question. I see > they haven't changed:) > > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m60792.html > > Could you do a little test to help settle the question of how H2O2 > reacts with silver ions? > > 1. Take several ounces of high-ppm ionic cs made with your > Silverpuppy. (I wouldn't try it with low ppm cs made with HVAC, > since Marshall's description of the salt test is a bit strange, and > I don't know what else is going on with his stuff.) > > 2. Carefully heat the to 120F to 140F until all the liquid > evaporates. Let it cool. You should have black stuff in the bottom > of the glass. Here are the equations: > > When the cs evaporates, the silver ions combine with the hydroxyl > ions to form silver oxide. There are at least two paths. > > Path #1: > > One silver ion combines with one hydroxyl ion to form silver > hydroxide: > > Ag(+) + OH(-) --> AgOH (silver hydroxide) > > The silver hydroxide dissociates to form silver oxide particles: > > 2AgOH --> Ag2O + H2O (silver oxide) > > Path #2: > > Two silver ions combine with two hydroxyl ions to form silver oxide: > > 2Ag(+) + 2OH(-) --> Ag2O + H2O > > 3. Add 1/8 inch H2O2 and swirl it around. You should see plenty of > bubbles and fizzing as the black stuff dissolves. Here is one > possible reaction: > > 2Ag2O + H2O2 --> 4Ag(+) + O2(g) + H2O2 > > 4. When everything settles down, add several shakes of salt. You > should see the heaviest white dispersion you will ever see, and the > silver chloride particles ahould be so large they are visible with > the naked eye. Here are the equations: > > From the dissociation of salt in water: > > NaCl(s) + H2O --> Na(+)(aq) + Cl(-)(aq) > > A silver ion reacts with a chlorine ion to form silver chloride: > > Ag(+)(aq) + Cl(-)(aq) --> AgCl(s) > > The silver chloride is insoluble in water and precipitates out as a > white solid. > > This shows that H2O2 reacts with silver oxide to form silver ions. > > If H2O2 reacted with silver ions to form oxide, there would be no > white dispersion in step 4. I posted this experiment over a year > ago: > > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m62791.html > > The hardest part of this experiment is evaporating the cs:) > > I'd sure appreciate hearing from anyone else who might like to try! > >Best Wishes, > >Mike Monett > > >-- >The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > >Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > >To post, address your message to: [email protected] >Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >Address Off-Topic messages to: [email protected] >OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > >List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> > >
