On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 10:35, Nenah Sylver wrote:

> Hello Garnet.
> 
> I have thought about that quite a bit, actually, Garnet, both in relation to
> feeding it to myself and to my dogs. I've come to terms with it for the
> following reasons:
> 
> 1) I do vary the veggies I feed the dogs; it's often a combination of veggies
> and not only/always broccoli.

Oh, because in your original message it sounded like you were saying you
fed broccoli frequently. You wrote "They get lots of broccoli and some
starchy veggies..."
> 
> 2) Steaming the broccoli first destroys the component that lowers thyroid
> function. Throwing out the water in which the broccoli was lightly cooked gets
> rid of that component. So sometimes, especially during colder weather, I heat
> the broccoli first.

Do you happen to have documentation on what that component is and at
what temperature it is destroyed, because I have never run across this
information in all the years that I have been dealing with feeding my
pets, including many reptiles whose veggies I steamed before freezing in
cubes. 

I was told absolutely not to feed reptiles broccoli in any form so I am
wondering if some of the herpetologists are misinformed? Does not mean
your information is not correct, but I hope you understand that I would
like to confirm it -- since impacting the thyroid is such a dangerous
thing, hard to measure and hard to track down. Been there and done that
in a hypothyroid dog and horse breeds.

How much do you steam it? Is it still somewhat crisp in the middle or
totally soft? I love broccoli lightly steamed myself but find that I
seem to only want it occasionally, instinct?

I used broccoli once to get a cockatiel over addiction to millet, which
he has started demanding in exclusion to all other food. I was told to
feed only broccoli until he would eat regular seed again and to never
feed millet sprays or mixes with millet unless it was in a pellet where
they could not pick out just the millet.

> 
> 3) My dogs are, simply put, healthier when they eat broccoli than when they
> don't, even if the brocolli is raw. Animals in the wild -- including wolves 
> -- 
> go for the stomach and its contents of the prey that they kill. They do this 
> to
> get the greens ingested by the prey animal! I've noticed that when I don't 
> give
> my dogs enough greens, the little one especially will deliberately graze on
> grass, like a goat or a cow, for long periods. I've never seen anything like 
> it.

Broccoli is loaded with minerals and Vit C so it is a very good food,
fed in balance. Dark greens are loaded with minerals, but leafy greens
are not the same as broccoli, to my knowledge they are not thyrogenic. 

But the stomach contents, while raw have already been subjected to quite
an array of digestive enzymes in the mouth and stomach, so it is not at
all in a fresh raw state, besides I don't know of any wild animals that
ingest thyrogenic veggies. This is not a logical comparison to feeding
raw broccoli a lot, although it does support the need dogs have for
leafy greens. Perhaps you are just pointing out their natural need for
greens.

Presently I use a lot of fresh herbs that I grow with seaweed and bat
guano fertilizers to increase their mineral contents and make them dark
green. I eat some almost every day from my container gardens on the
patio, but in small amounts and I vary which ones I eat, except perhaps
for parsely, I can eat that in almost anything and love the flavor. The
dogs can free range but I only noticed my older dog eating them daily.
The younger dogs don't seem interested. I do have two cats that will
nibble the lemon grass!

> 
> 4) I put nori and other seaweeds into my dogs' food. Sometimes they will take
> roasted nori sheets and eat them plain.

Nori is one of my favorite sources of Magnesium and other minerals. It
tastes wonderful roasted and I do use it for the dogs occasionally.


Garnet


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