The key phrase here is, Ingestion of highly concentrated forms of ionic silver can cause argyria
The kicker here is, You can't make a highly concentrated batch of ionic silver without making more and more particles. The stronger you make it past around 13 PPM, the more particles will form and the ion to particle ratio goes towards equal and beyond. However, the higher in concentration you go past around 20 to 30 PPM, the more likely the result will be that it won't look like something you'd want to use. At 20 PPM, agryia is impossible because the amount of water it's in would kill you before ever reaching the minimum silver retention level regardless of source. You can get agyria from particulate silver too. The condition is accumulation specific, not source specific. The reason that silver compounds such as silver chloride, silver acetatate and so on 'can' be dangerous is that the concentration CAN be made so high that you CAN consume that much silver so fast, overcoming an also very fast elimination rate, that it CAN build up without you dying from the toxic effects of water...not that it IS made that high. If silver chloride does wind up in your bloodstream and doesn't go through other ion exchange processes in that chemical soup of blood, it still can't reach dangerous level due to the intake limits of the water it was in at the time of consumption. If you use salt or citric or acetic acid in the process, you 'can' make that sort of concentration of silver chloride, silver citrate, silver acetate [ not that you ever 'would' and still think it looks consumable]...so don't do that. Anyhow, the info is mostly good info so far as it goes. The 'whole' story goes much further and most of it is not a 'known'. What is 'not said' makes it somewhat misleading. There are many theories about what really and finally happens to ionic silver and as many reasons to believe them. What is 'accepted' based upon the experience of thousands upon thousands of people, regardless of why, is that ionic silver works and there has not been one single case of Smurfism from using it if it's made even close to properly or ANY reasonable degree of caution is used in taking it if it's not. If ionic silver is made stronger than 13 PPM, it will have some particles as well. If it is the particles and not the ions that 'do the job', you still have particles to work with. Mainstream industry goes to great lengths to get silver to release ions in their patented products...for some "reason". Sure, you can consume a pint of brown black red green purple or grey/blue sludge every day for a few years and 'maybe' get into trouble. But the thing is, if it has any of those colors and/or any 'body' to it...anything that's visible, that doesn't look like water.... it's particles that cause it. Ions are invisible and therefore colorless. It's very difficult to dependably and repeatably make ionic/colloidal silver water over 20 to 30 PPM that doesn't also have a color due to the formation of particles large enough to display that color. If it's under that concentration, the water is far more dangerous than the silver that's in it. Since the author won't reveal how he makes his particulate CS, the terms "complicated, complex and costly" have no contextual meaning. It can take years to figure out how 'not' to do something before finding out how, cost mega dollars to discover something extremely inexpensive and take 10 seconds to do it easily for virtually nothing from then on. Ask Edison...who didn't invent the 30 cent light bulb 10,000 times for years before it took him 10 minutes to invent it. Ode At 07:00 AM 3/23/2005 -0800, you wrote: > >I recently visited a very professional looking site, >http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html >This website made a big distinction between true >colloidal silver and ionic silver. Why was this >important? Because, All ionic silver will turn into >silver chloride once inside the body Why is this >important? Because, Not only does it fail to provide >the benefits that colloidal silver is known for, but >more importantly, ingestion of highly concentrated >forms of ionic silver can cause argyria > >Then, this site makes these points: > >Misleading Information > >Some products that are ionic silver describe their >properties in terms of silver particles attempting >to confuse the reader into believing in the existence >of ionic silver particles. There is no such thing. >There are metallic silver particles (nanoparticles) >and silver ions, but no ionic silver particles. This >distinction is very important. Untold is the fact that >the product is mostly ionic silver, not silver >particles. The fact is, most such products only >contain an average of 10% of their silver content in >the form of silver particles with the majority 80% to >99% in the form of ionic silver. To make a true >colloid is a complicated, complex and costly process. >It is no mystery why most producers choose to make >ionic silver instead and simply call it colloidal >silver. Thankfully, more consumers are educating >themselves about this deception, and more and more are >learning this simple test: If it looks like water, it >is ionic silver, not a true silver colloid. Ingestion >of highly concentrated forms of ionic silver can cause >argyria, a permanent discoloration of the skin. The >likelihood of argyria becomes significant for ionic >silver concentrations above 100 ppm. Typical ionic >silver products contain between 3 and 20 ppm of ionic >silver which would not cause argyria. > >From these statements, the reader would come away with >the strong impression that nearly all the other people >who sell colloidal silver are, in fact, con-artists >bent upon cheating you out of your money and that the >product they sell (or the devices they sell you) have >no health benefit and will almost certainly cause >argyria. The key phrase here is, Ingestion of highly >concentrated forms of ionic silver can cause argyria > > >OK, since Typical ionic silver products contain >between 3 and 20 ppm of ionic silver which would not >cause argyria, then what is the problem? Apparently >the insinuation that ionic silver is nearly >worthless is the main point here. Add to that the >point that this statement (ionic silver causes >argyria) cannot be substantiated by any science >whatsoever. Every case of argyria on the books was >caused by silver powder such as that inhaled by >silversmiths, or by silver-salts and proteins such as >silver nitrate, or, rarely, by large-particle >colloidal silver (coffee-colored CS). > >Yet, Dr Alan B.G. Lansdown, of the Skin Research and >Wound Healing Laboratory, Imperial College of >Medicine, London, had this to say about ionic silver: >As a metal, silver is relatively inert and poorly >absorbed by mammalian or bacterial cells. However, in >the presence of wound fluids or other secretions, it >readily ionises and becomes highly reactive in binding >to proteins and cell membranes. The silver ion (Ag+) >is absorbed by the bacterial or yeast cells and is >lethal in sensitive strains. Microbiological studies >illustrate that the 'activated' silver ion (Ag+ or >other species) can exert its lethality through action >on the bacterial cell membrane (envelope) or binding >to and inactivating intracellular proteins/enzymes and >nuclear DNA. > >It is the ionic silver more than the metallic silver >particles that are effective. > >The level of dishonesty I found on this site is quite >disappointing. It is irresponsible, self-serving, >fear-mongering sites such as this one who give silver >a bad name. > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! 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