Marshal, That is very interesting. Ammonia quite often exists at diseased sites as a breakdown product of some bacteria, or as a waste product from some bacteria. I'm using the term bacteria loosely here. Certainly ammonia in the human body is an indication of dis-biosis. So that would be a really neat mechanism. The insoluble silver chloride churns around not doing anything until it gets a whiff of ammonia, dumps the silver which in turn de-activates any susceptible bacteria.
hth, Tony. On 24 Mar 2005 at 11:20, Marshall Dudley wrote about : Subject : Re: CS>Silver-Colloids responds > Much of what I think happens is from studying chemistry and research, > but not from tests other than in glasses of EIS. > > EIS is 80 to 90% ionic, and 10 to 20% particulate. The ionic portion > is a combination of AgOH and Ag2O, silver hydroxide and silver oxide. > Silver oxide has a solubility of about 13 ppm, but I cannot find any > consistant information on the solubility of silver hydroxide. I > believe that the majority of the ionic content of freshly made EIS is > the hydroxide but have yet to figure out how to prove it. > > When EIS contacts the stomach, the ionic portion reacts with stomach > acid. This produces AgCl, silver chloride. Silver Chloride has a > solubility of only about .8 ppm in water. In water with a chloride > ion the solubility decreases due to the common ion effect, but at a > level below the level of chlorine (from salt) in the blood and > presumably the stomach the solubility increases again due to it > forming soluble chloride complexes. Interesting at the level of > chloriine in the blood it is right back to about .8 ppm again. So if > you mix EIS with something like Gatorade that has salt in it > approximating the level of the blood, then the amount of AgCl that > will be dissolved is significantly higher than if you mix it with > water or take it straight. > > Now once in the stomach about .8 ppm (including the increased volume > from the gastric juices) will be able to be dissolved, the rest will > precipitate out. I have read that traces of ammonia in the stomach > increase the solubility significantly. I believe that Steve Quinto is > the one who is supporting that view. However ammonia cannot exist in > the stomach, it will react with the HCl producing ammonium chloride. > So the question becomes, is there enough ammonium chloride in the > stomach to create a soluble compound of silver (fulminating silver > complex), and if so, is the reaction favorable. I don't know, but I > do believe that the research done by Brookes and Gatorade shows that > if it does contribute to the solubility, the effect is minor at best. > > Now, if we follow the dissolved silver chloride, it will penetrate the > stomach wall rather quickly. This accomplishes two things, putting > silver chloride into the blood, and reducing the silver chloride in > the stomach so that which precipitated out will begin redissolving > again. > > That which reaches the blood stream does not stay in ionic form long > though. There are two mechanisms at work that should quickly reduce > the ionic (dissolved) silver chloride to silver particles. The first > is the normal photographic process. In the presence of any developer > in the blood, such as caffine or hydrogen peroxide, the silver > chloride will reduce upon contact with silver particles. The result > is a slight increase in particle size of the colloidal portion. The > other factor at work is that the silver chloride will react with any > ammonia in the blood. Although this increases solubility tremendously > for the silver, it is probably irrelevent because it will then react > with the glucose in the blood, causing once again metallic silver to > plate out, much of it presumable on the present particles (or perhaps > forming 2 atom colloidal particles). So I would expect to not be able > to find any ionic (dissolved) silver in the blood, although silver in > particulate form should be found. > > Now if there are no particles to plate out on, initial seed particles > will be formed wherever the silver compound is exposed to light. Then > once the seed particles are formed, the rest plates out on them. The > result is rapid and huge growth of a few particles in the skin instead > of a slight growth of many particles in the blood. And this can cause > these particles to lodge into the tissues producting a blue grey kind > of tatoo called agyria. So the colloidal portion of EIS acts as a > preventative for argyria. > > However this certainly does not answer all the questions. It provides > a theory as to why dissolved silver compounds are not found in the > blood, yet ionic silver is still effective. However, it also > indicates that the ionic silver becomes colloidal silver in the blood, > and Steve's work indicates that colloidal silver, at least the meso > silver product, does not kill pathogens, so we are kind of back where > we started. Frank Key's suggestion that the full strength test that > Steve did with the Meso does not duplicate what happens in the blood > could have merit, but I am unable to come up with a theory as to why > it would kill in the blood but not full strength unless trace amounts > of H2O2 in the blood are causing the colloidal part to become ionic > again as Ag2O, but then we are back to that ionic silver has not been > measured in the blood, unless this trace of silver oxide is being > passed off as an artifact of the measurement as Frank Key indicates. > But this is unlikely because silver oxide cannot exist in the blood, > it will immediately become silver chloride, and then back it goes to > being a particle again as given above. > > What pathogen is the time kill analysis done on? Was it in the form of > spores? If so that could easily explain why mesa silver did not kill > them. Is this analysis on the net anywhere? I did a google for it and > was unable to find it. > > Marshall > > > > Jim Holmes wrote: > > > Marshall > > > > Can you comment on the ammonia/silver relationship in the body > > regarding the impossibility of ionic Ag having any effect in the > > body? > > > > TIA > > > > Jim > > -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: [email protected] Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: [email protected] OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]>
