Much of what I think happens is from studying chemistry and research, but not from tests other than in glasses of EIS.
EIS is 80 to 90% ionic, and 10 to 20% particulate. The ionic portion is a combination of AgOH and Ag2O, silver hydroxide and silver oxide. Silver oxide has a solubility of about 13 ppm, but I cannot find any consistant information on the solubility of silver hydroxide. I believe that the majority of the ionic content of freshly made EIS is the hydroxide but have yet to figure out how to prove it. When EIS contacts the stomach, the ionic portion reacts with stomach acid. This produces AgCl, silver chloride. Silver Chloride has a solubility of only about .8 ppm in water. In water with a chloride ion the solubility decreases due to the common ion effect, but at a level below the level of chlorine (from salt) in the blood and presumably the stomach the solubility increases again due to it forming soluble chloride complexes. Interesting at the level of chloriine in the blood it is right back to about .8 ppm again. So if you mix EIS with something like Gatorade that has salt in it approximating the level of the blood, then the amount of AgCl that will be dissolved is significantly higher than if you mix it with water or take it straight. Now once in the stomach about .8 ppm (including the increased volume from the gastric juices) will be able to be dissolved, the rest will precipitate out. I have read that traces of ammonia in the stomach increase the solubility significantly. I believe that Steve Quinto is the one who is supporting that view. However ammonia cannot exist in the stomach, it will react with the HCl producing ammonium chloride. So the question becomes, is there enough ammonium chloride in the stomach to create a soluble compound of silver (fulminating silver complex), and if so, is the reaction favorable. I don't know, but I do believe that the research done by Brookes and Gatorade shows that if it does contribute to the solubility, the effect is minor at best. Now, if we follow the dissolved silver chloride, it will penetrate the stomach wall rather quickly. This accomplishes two things, putting silver chloride into the blood, and reducing the silver chloride in the stomach so that which precipitated out will begin redissolving again. That which reaches the blood stream does not stay in ionic form long though. There are two mechanisms at work that should quickly reduce the ionic (dissolved) silver chloride to silver particles. The first is the normal photographic process. In the presence of any developer in the blood, such as caffine or hydrogen peroxide, the silver chloride will reduce upon contact with silver particles. The result is a slight increase in particle size of the colloidal portion. The other factor at work is that the silver chloride will react with any ammonia in the blood. Although this increases solubility tremendously for the silver, it is probably irrelevent because it will then react with the glucose in the blood, causing once again metallic silver to plate out, much of it presumable on the present particles (or perhaps forming 2 atom colloidal particles). So I would expect to not be able to find any ionic (dissolved) silver in the blood, although silver in particulate form should be found. Now if there are no particles to plate out on, initial seed particles will be formed wherever the silver compound is exposed to light. Then once the seed particles are formed, the rest plates out on them. The result is rapid and huge growth of a few particles in the skin instead of a slight growth of many particles in the blood. And this can cause these particles to lodge into the tissues producting a blue grey kind of tatoo called agyria. So the colloidal portion of EIS acts as a preventative for argyria. However this certainly does not answer all the questions. It provides a theory as to why dissolved silver compounds are not found in the blood, yet ionic silver is still effective. However, it also indicates that the ionic silver becomes colloidal silver in the blood, and Steve's work indicates that colloidal silver, at least the meso silver product, does not kill pathogens, so we are kind of back where we started. Frank Key's suggestion that the full strength test that Steve did with the Meso does not duplicate what happens in the blood could have merit, but I am unable to come up with a theory as to why it would kill in the blood but not full strength unless trace amounts of H2O2 in the blood are causing the colloidal part to become ionic again as Ag2O, but then we are back to that ionic silver has not been measured in the blood, unless this trace of silver oxide is being passed off as an artifact of the measurement as Frank Key indicates. But this is unlikely because silver oxide cannot exist in the blood, it will immediately become silver chloride, and then back it goes to being a particle again as given above. What pathogen is the time kill analysis done on? Was it in the form of spores? If so that could easily explain why mesa silver did not kill them. Is this analysis on the net anywhere? I did a google for it and was unable to find it. Marshall Jim Holmes wrote: > Marshall > > Can you comment on the ammonia/silver relationship in the body regarding the > impossibility of ionic Ag having any effect in the body? > > TIA > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: Info [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 5:15 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: CS>Silver-Colloids responds > > Mike Monett wrote: > > > > Frank has a lot of misleading statements designed to instill fear in > > newbies. > > We would be most interested to get details on "statements designed to > instill fear". > > These marketing methods are bound to backfire. For example, > > there are several reports in the silver list archives where people > > have tried his product and found it doesn't work. > > ... yet, here are the stories from hundreds of users who will tell you > otherwise: > http://colloidforum.com/phpBB/index.php > > > Also, Steve Quinto recently published a time-kill analysis of > > Frank's Mesosilver that shows Mesosilver has no killing power. You > > can see the results at > > The Quinto time-kill analysis are performed using test procedures designed > for disinfectants where the product is used at full strength. Unless you > intend to replace your blood with colloidal silver the results are not > representative of what you can expect in the human body. > > For pathogen challenge test results that were produced using silver > concentrations that can actually be achieved in the bloodstream see: > http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/biostudies.html > > It seems the pathogen tests published by ionic silver producers are done at > full strength, not diluted to levels achievable in-vivo. To say the results > are misleading in the extreme is an understatement. > > Challenge tests performed using ionic silver products do not produce results > > that are noticeable different. > > We believe that ionic cannot exist in the human body because no scientist > has ever proven the existence of ionic silver in human blood serum. > > > http://tinyurl.com/3qb4v > > This refers to a page on the Natural Immunogenics website. This is the same > company that promotes their ionic silver product by the use of TEM images. > Unfortunately, TEM images of ionic silver products do not show the particles > > that are contained in the ionic silver, only particles of silver oxide that > are produced as an artifact of the sample preparation. For details on why > this is so, see: http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/TEM.html > > The use of TEM image of any liquid containing metal ions would be virtually > useless. > > > His report on Transmission Electron Microscope (TEM) images of cs is > > quite good, but ignore all the chemistry equations he gives. They > > are all unbalanced and incorrect. > > There are no chemistry equations presented on the page, only a table of the > Ratio of the Number of Ag2O to Ag Particles. The table was prepared by Dr. > Maass, a professor of physical chemistry. I am sure Dr. Maass would be > interested to hear about any errors in the table. > > > And the product reports are very useful. Disregard the accuracy he > > claims in his measurements. Numbers stated to two decimal places is > > rubbish. > > We understand this to mean the Mike Monett does not know how to make > accurate measurements of silver concentration and therefore assumes no one > else does either. > > The measurements were performed using a state of the are ICP/AES using > deferential techniques that are able to produce reliable and accurate > results by using long measurement integration times. The instrument operator > > has received certification from the Varian factory training school on the > use of the instrument and has years of lab experience in atomic emission > spectroscopy. > > I am wondering what qualifications Mike Monett may posses in the field of > atomic spectroscopy such that he can declare the measurements to be > "rubbish". > > Frank Key > Colloidal Science Laboratory, Inc. > www.colloidalsciencelab.com > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: [email protected] > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: [email protected] > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]>
