Hi Ode. Im not bashing ABL, I beleive what they are doing is a good thing, just trying to understand their process. Their patents just dont add up. If I was in their position I would want patents on what I was doing. They wont hold up in court dollar for dollar but they have more dollars than me. The bubbler their using might be a CO2 bubbler, tried that also and it worked. Killed two birds with one stone. I know the history behind them and how they have come to this point. My main beef with them is they claim of their product being 97% metallic silver when Frank Keys states it 96% ionic. I dont know if they have changed their process or not. I can make a gallon of CS without the CO2 blanket in less than one hour, it might very well be a good disinfectant but I wouldnt want to drink it.
Sam L. On 2/6/07, Ode Coyote <odecoy...@alltel.net> wrote:
It also appears they are using an air bubbler for stirring vs the previous "patented" paddle. Well now, how many people have been doing that for a decade? [And how many decided it wasn't the best of ideas?] It's pretty obvious that ABL has patents because they have lawyers on payroll who can't spend ALL their time twisting phrases. It's highly unlikely that any of those patents will ever see a court room as every other paragraph is just not true and the ones that are true, aren't unique. Patents aren't proof of anything. ABL? Bullshitters..that make good, essentially the same as home made, EIS. [or has that changed? ] Check this out: If you "run" an EIS generator in dilute H2O2, you DO get metallic silver and virtually no ionic content. [3 uS max] The problem is, the particles join together to make great big shiny mirror like crystal snow flakes suitable for a metal flake paint job. Very pretty: Then months later, the peroxide turns them into a silver oxide of some sort, the water goes deep yellow/brown, black balls of oxides form on the bottom and conductivity still doesn't go past 13. That process could possibly be tweeked to do something interesting... what and why? Gee, I dunno. I only did it once and that was enough. ode At 08:33 PM 2/5/2007 -0200, you wrote: >Hi Ode. >I also found this in their patent. > >< 6. The composition according to claim 1 further comprising hydrogen >peroxide. > >Hydrogen peroxide, a know disinfecting agent, has been found to have a >synergistic interaction with the inventive silver composition. Hydrogen >peroxide is available in concentration of 30% wght/v (% weight per volume >or weight percent) or higher. Although the higher concentrations are >usable, the preferred concentrations are in the range of 1 to 5% wght/v. > >A preferred embodiment of the present invention is directed to >compositions comprising 5 to 40 ppm silver, said silver being primarily >elemental silver, 1 to 3 wght % hydrogen peroxide, and water. A preferred >embodiment of the present invention is the use, and method of use, of >compositions comprising 10 to 40 ppm silver and 1 to 3 wght % hydrogen >peroxide in water as antimicrobial agents. > > >Hmmmmm, i wonder where they came up with that idea. Although I have in the >past added hydrogen peroxide to my CS I dont do it anymore. To many >different reactions that I dont understand. If the CS is clear thats good >enough for me. >I was impressed with using HVAC to produce CS using a CO2 blanket but it >took as long or longer to produce than LVDC CS. It would take about 2 >hours per pint using 2 electrodes and I would have to watch it like a hawk. > Makes me wonder if they arent using some sort of blanket and adding the > hydrogen peroxide later. Might have to try that process out to see what > happens. > >Sam L. > > > > > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.27/671 - Release Date: 2/5/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.27/671 - Release Date: 2/5/2007 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@eskimo.com>
