Who is Frank Keys?
Ron
Sam L. wrote:
Hi Ode.
Im not bashing ABL, I believe what they are doing is a good thing,
just trying to understand their process. Their patents just don't add
up. If I was in their position I would want patents on what I was
doing. They wont hold up in court dollar for dollar but they have more
dollars than me. The bubbler their using might be a CO2 bubbler, tried
that also and it worked. Killed two birds with one stone. I know the
history behind them and how they have come to this point. My main beef
with them is they claim of their product being 97% metallic silver
when Frank Keys states it 96% ionic. I don't know if they have changed
their process or not. I can make a gallon of CS without the CO2
blanket in less than one hour, it might very well be a good
disinfectant but I wouldn't want to drink it.
Sam L.
On 2/6/07, Ode Coyote <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
It also appears they are using an air bubbler for stirring vs the
previous "patented" paddle.
Well now, how many people have been doing that for a decade?
[And how
many decided it wasn't the best of ideas?]
It's pretty obvious that ABL has patents because they have
lawyers on
payroll who can't spend ALL their time twisting phrases.
It's highly unlikely that any of those patents will ever see a
court room
as every other paragraph is just not true and the ones that are true,
aren't unique.
Patents aren't proof of anything.
ABL? Bullshitters..that make good, essentially the same as
home made, EIS.
[or has that changed? ]
Check this out:
If you "run" an EIS generator in dilute H2O2, you DO get metallic
silver
and virtually no ionic content. [3 uS max]
The problem is, the particles join together to make great big shiny
mirror like crystal snow flakes suitable for a metal flake paint job.
Very pretty:
Then months later, the peroxide turns them into a silver oxide
of some
sort, the water goes deep yellow/brown, black balls of oxides form
on the
bottom and conductivity still doesn't go past 13.
That process could possibly be tweeked to do something
interesting...
what and why? Gee, I dunno.
I only did it once and that was enough.
ode
At 08:33 PM 2/5/2007 -0200, you wrote:
>Hi Ode.
>I also found this in their patent.
>
>< 6. The composition according to claim 1 further comprising hydrogen
>peroxide.
>
>Hydrogen peroxide, a know disinfecting agent, has been found to
have a
>synergistic interaction with the inventive silver composition.
Hydrogen
>peroxide is available in concentration of 30% wght/v (% weight
per volume
>or weight percent) or higher. Although the higher concentrations are
>usable, the preferred concentrations are in the range of 1 to 5%
wght/v.
>
>A preferred embodiment of the present invention is directed to
>compositions comprising 5 to 40 ppm silver, said silver being
primarily
>elemental silver, 1 to 3 wght % hydrogen peroxide, and water. A
preferred
>embodiment of the present invention is the use, and method of
use, of
>compositions comprising 10 to 40 ppm silver and 1 to 3 wght %
hydrogen
>peroxide in water as antimicrobial agents. >
>
>Hmmmmm, i wonder where they came up with that idea. Although I
have in the
>past added hydrogen peroxide to my CS I dont do it anymore. To many
>different reactions that I dont understand. If the CS is clear
thats good
>enough for me.
>I was impressed with using HVAC to produce CS using a CO2 blanket
but it
>took as long or longer to produce than LVDC CS. It would take about 2
>hours per pint using 2 electrodes and I would have to watch it
like a hawk.
> Makes me wonder if they arent using some sort of blanket and
adding the
> hydrogen peroxide later. Might have to try that process out to
see what
> happens.
>
>Sam L.
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