On Fri, 30 May 2003, Neil Herber wrote:
If you are using the Spamcop RBL (like me) you probably won't see this message. It looks like SIMS has been blacklisted since this morning. I only noticed it when scanning the logs. I temporarily commented out the Spamcop RBL - so I should get this!
This is why most public RBLs are worth anything, IMHO. They blacklist too much good mail for no reason, and are too difficult to get off of.
That's a gross generalization.
They are not "governed" well, and typically run by zealots. The whole guilty until proven innocent mentality is absurd...
It sounds like you are talking about SPEWS. I hear NJABL is a bit like that too, but it is not very widely used. I'm not aware of any others that would fit that description that have actual users. Some people will point fingers at XBL or SpamBag, but don't forget that both are really just political statements, not serious blacklists that a detectable population actually uses.
SpamCop's problem is not zealotry but excess trust in automation and the intelligence of users. If one person reports one message to SpamCop as spam, it is likely that some machine used in getting that message to the reporting user will be listed, at least briefly, by SpamCop. Often it is a machine that doesn't really talk to the rest of the world or which in fact sends no spam because the idiot user has reported a subscribed list, but SpamCop lists anyway, because there is no human choice involved other than the potentially malicious and frequently clueless SpamCop user.
Theoretically SpamCop takes complaints and disciplines users who report non-spam. I have no knowledge of anyone actually being stopped from further reporting as a result of complaints about bogus reports except when the reports were completely forged.
(and yes, I think anyone who uses the SpamCop blacklist is running their mail system irresponsibly.)
-- Bill Cole [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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