--- Eugen Leitl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Jul 01, 2007 at 01:51:26PM -0700, Tom McCabe > wrote: > > > All of this applies only to implosion-type > devices, > > which are far more complicated and tricky to pull > off > > than gun-type devices, and which are therefore > > unlikely to be used. > > We're arguing something tedious, and meaningless. > There's no analogy to a crude gun assembler in AI.
Actually, there is- a hacked-together recursively self-improving system that is not well understood. The problem is, such a system can still work- it will just destroy the world in the process. > > If you want to argue, please present your own > > I don't. I was going to quit from this list soon > actually. > We're not actually arguing. We're going through the > motions, > and have been doing so for years. Meaning? > > arguments and not those of phantom anonymous > weapon > > designers. > > I can assure you, there are some pretty good people > at Livermore, and these do give interviews. Arguing from any authority is a logical fallacy, let alone arguing from a phantom anonymous authority. > Notice that they're not doing AI at Livermore. Er, so? > > Is there any significant black market in > classified > > information? > > Yes, you can get expertise and equipment from e.g. > Pakistan. I meant, NATO countries' classified information, not nuclear weapons expertise in general. > > Assuming you're starting from scratch, yes. Why > not > > just steal a few kilos of U235? It's a lot easier > than > > There's considerable background trafficking in HEU > actually, > at least if judged from documented busts. How many HEU busts have there been? I remember precisely one over the previous few years. > This > really means > the milk of human kindness is not just a myth. I don't get it. > > building a billion-dollar enrichment facility. > > Do you know where I could steal a few kilos of > computronium? Sure- just build a generic worm to attack poorly-secured Windows systems and use them to build a dedicated computer network. > > By the time sentient software exists, the question > is > > moot because it will promptly escape onto the > Internet > > and will probably wreak havoc from there. > > Very possible. I'm not going to worry about it > because > then I'm dead, and so are you, and everybody else. So, let me get this straight- we *shouldn't* worry about it because it might kill us all? I find the prospect of anything killing us all very worrying. > > Sooner or later, regardless of what the required > > computing power is, the general public *will* be > in > > possession of it. > > The point is on later. Also, in absence of > knowledge, > hardware buys you only very little. Agreed. > So here's your mole of switches. What are you going > to do with it? Yer what? > -- > Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org";>leitl</a> > http://leitl.org > ______________________________________________________________ > ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com > http://postbiota.org > 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 > 8B29 F6BE > > ----- > This list is sponsored by AGIRI: > http://www.agiri.org/email > To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: > http://v2.listbox.com/member/?&; > - Tom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 ----- This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?member_id=4007604&user_secret=7d7fb4d8
