BRAVO Mike ! My sentiments exactly...which is why in the first place I said we should be achieving Super Intelligence on an individual level....we are like Andrew mentioned too Organic Robots. I still find myself pondering on Richard's last post however, I also find myself wondering does Richard know that perhaps these areas of so called ' AGI Consciousness' already exist in our consciousness we are just not able to access them yet ? That includes his 'underground world'. Candice> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: singularity@v2.listbox.com> Subject: [singularity] How to Stop Fantasying About Future AGI's> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:46:24 +0100> > Every speculation on this board about the nature of future AGI's has been > pure fantasy. Even those which try to dress themselves up in some semblance > of scientific reasoning. All this speculation, for example, about the > friendliness and emotions of future AGI's has been non-sense - and often > from surprisingly intelligent people.> > Why? Because until we have a machine that even begins to qualify as an AGI - > that has the LEAST higher adaptivity - until IOW AGI's EXIST- we can't begin > seriously to predict how they will evolve, let alone whether they will "take > off." And until we've seen a machine that actually has functioning emotions > and what purpose they serve, ditto we can't predict their future emotions.> > So how can you cure yourself if you have this apparently incorrigible need > to produce speculative fantasies with no scientific basis in reality > whatsoever?> > I suggest : first speculate about the following:> > what will be the next stage of HUMAN evolution? What will be the next > significant advance in the form of the human species - as significant, say, > as the advance from apes, or - ok - some earlier form like Neanderthals?> > Hey, if you are prepared to speculate about fabulous future AGI's, > predicting that relatively small evolutionary advance shouldn't be too hard. > But I suggest that if you do think about future human evolution your mind > will start clamming up. Why? Because you will have a sense of physical/ > evolutionary constraints (unlike AGI where people seem to have zero sense of > technological constraints), - an implicit recognition that any future human > form will have to evolve from the present form - and to make predictions, > you will have to explain how. And you will know that anything you say may > only serve to make an ass of yourself. So any prediction you make will have > to have SOME basis in reality and not just in science fiction. The same > should be true here.> > > > > > -----> This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email> To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to:> http://v2.listbox.com/member/?&; _________________________________________________________________ The next generation of MSN Hotmail has arrived - Windows Live Hotmail http://www.newhotmail.co.uk
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