> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elwell, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> What I want is the end domain, e.g., my bank. Being assured my call is
> secured as far as my service provider gives me no confidence it is
> secured as far as my bank or whatever domain I want to communicate with.
> That is why "email-style" is so much better than phone-number-based.

Sure, and that works well for domain names you recognize, if your UA displays 
it, because really you're mentally treating it as an email-style URI.  (and 
also why Paul said this would only work for whitelists) But if it is a call 
from sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] signed by cht.com.tw, it would mean nothing to most 
people.  The verifier would think it's fine as would your UAS, and it may be 
fine (Chunghwa Telecom is a legit telco).  Or it may be that CHT got it from a 
CLID spoofer service in the PSTN, or CHT is mis-configured, or a CLID spoofer 
provider itself. (they're not, but you wouldn't know that, and the fact that a 
+1 number came from Chunghwa Telecom is suspicious)

The straw-man says CHT would only sign it "if it believes that calls to that 
number will reach the user".  I'm not actually sure what that means.  I think 
you mean if calls to that username number would reach the same domain that's 
signing it??  Regardless, if CHT *were* to offer a CLID spoofer service, it 
would obviously sign it anyway, and no one would be wiser.  For email-style 
URI's that's not possible, because CHT can't sign sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
Siemens could sign it maliciously, but doing so only spoofs siemens.com's 
users.  Whereas CHT signing sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] maliciously actually spoofs 
the real owner of +12128675309 globally, because it is treated by machines and 
humans as a global identity regardless of the domain.

-hadriel
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