I am not sure I understand your objection to the keep param in TCP.  Christer 
has already said that he will change the wording to indicate that if the 
response does not have keep=yes, it doesn't mean a UAC must not send 
double-CRLF.  In my mind that's just admitting that local configuration on the 
UAC can trump negotiation, as it can for pretty much anything.

The draft should NOT recommend the UAC sends double-CRLF in such a case, imo.  
It should not recommend anything.  It's out of the scope of the draft at that 
point.

-hadriel


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Juha Heinanen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Christer Holmberg writes:
>
>  > >proxy NEVER needs to "provide" anything for tcp ua's nat problem.
>  > >as i wrote already, if tcp ua is behind nat it simply sends CRLFs or
>  > >(if it is not able to send CRLFs) uses short enough registration
>  > >interval.
>
>  > Where is that standardized? Is that how all UAs work? IF so,  we can
>  > remove it...
>
> christer,
>
> UA vendors have read outbound draft and figured it out that sending
> CRLFs is a good thing to do for tcp UAs and have ignored the rest if
> outbound as crap.
>
> if you want to formalize sending of CRLFs in your draft, then please do
> it.
> what we are opposing is the keep protocol that is totally unnecessary
> for tcp UAs.
>
> -- juha
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