I agree with Hadriel on this one.  I'm getting requests for different oddball 
uses of INFO all of the time, most of them driven by the need to interoperate 
with deployed applications.  Creating real INFO packages would give us a way to 
increase the likelihood of interoperability for the different uses.  Is it too 
late?  Hard to say, but it is worth a shot.   

James    

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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hadriel Kaplan
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 2:16 PM
To: Dean Willis; [email protected]
Cc: Cullen Jennings; Jon Peterson
Subject: Re: [Sip] INFO and what to do about it?


[Not surprisingly] I also think we should just do it.  I don't know if it will 
succeed, but the longer we wait the less the probability it will.  Right now 
people have to provision devices to send XYZ thing in INFO, and different 
vendors are using different syntaxes/means for the same mechanism, and I loathe 
that.  If we want to stop devices in the middle from meddling, we need to stop 
giving them reasons to.

-hadriel

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean
> Willis
> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 12:09 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Cc: Cullen Jennings; Jon Peterson
> Subject: Re: [Sip] INFO and what to do about it?
>
> I asked:
>
>
> > We've been batting INFO around for many, many years now (like, 10 --
> > it predates the SIP working group). A couple of meetings back, we
> > agreed that we would discuss use cases for INFO packages, and if we
> > didn't find any consensus there, then we would go ahead and publish an
> > "INFO Considered Harmful" RFC.
> >
> > We tried having this discussion at the last IETF, but that just didn't
> > work out.
> >
> > Do we try again, or just give up and publish "INFO Considered
> > Harmful"?
> >
> > Personally, I don't care anymore -- I just want to drive a stake into
> > the heart of this undead-thing, cut off its head, stuff the mouth with
> > holy wafers, and bury it at a crossroads somewhere.
> >
> > But this WG only slays by consensus, so what do you want?
>
> Several people (Jonathan, Mary, Christer, Paul) have responded to the
> list  with various things that added up to "Publish INFO packages AND
> document the extension models for SIP". So far, nobody has suggested
> otherwise.
>
> Does anybody want to do anything else? Speak now or forever visualize
> whirled peas.
>
> --
> Dean
>
>
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