For both GRUU and Outbound a given instance-id (+sip-instance) actually 
represents a single UA contact instance rather than just a single User Agent. 
The basic idea behind GRUU is that a request addressed to a GRUU is forwarded 
by the proxy to a specific Contact address. The goal is the same with Outbound 
but it adds multiple flows/paths to that UA Contact. This is reflected in the 
proxy procedures in both GRUU and Outbound.

In both cases, the proxy does serial forking to Contacts with the same 
instance-id.

For GRUU it starts with the most-recently registered binding (according to 
section 6.1 of GRUU):

       The proxy MUST select the most recently refreshed
       contact.  As with draft-ietf-sip-outbound, if a request to this
       target fails with a 408 (Request Timeout) or 430 (Flow Failed)
       response, the proxy SHOULD retry with the next most recently
       refreshed contact.  Furthermore, if the request fails with any
       other response, the proxy MUST NOT retry on any other contacts
       for this instance.

For Outbound, it attempts the registered flows (according to section 7 of 
Outbound):

   When a proxy uses the location service to look up a registration
   binding and then proxies a request to a particular contact, it
   selects a contact to use normally, with a few additional rules:

   o  The proxy MUST NOT populate the target set with more than one
      contact with the same AOR and instance-id at a time.
   o  If a request for a particular AOR and instance-id fails with a 430
      (Flow Failed) response, the proxy SHOULD replace the failed branch
      with another target (if one is available) with the same AOR and
      instance-id, but a different reg-id.
   o  If the proxy receives a final response from a branch other than a
      408 (Request Timeout) or a 430 (Flow Failed) response, the proxy
      MUST NOT forward the same request to another target representing
      the same AOR and instance-id.  The targeted instance has already
      provided its response.

Therefore, a User Agent that is registering multiple Contacts to allow the 
possibility of parallel forking would need to have a separate instance-id for 
each Contact.

For User Agent's that have multiple interfaces, it could use the MAC address of 
each interface to create a unique UUID URN for each contact.

Thus, the following scenario is possible:

  UA_Contact_wlan;+sip-instance=ID_1;reg-id=1 ----- OB_1 ----- REG_1
  UA_Contact_wlan;+sip-instance=ID_1;reg-id=2 ----- OB_2 ----- REG_2
  UA_Contact_3g;+sip-instance=ID_2;reg-id=1   ----- OB_1 ----- REG_1
  UA_Contact_3g;+sip-instance=ID_2;reg-id=2   ----- OB_2 ----- REG_2

Unfortunately, the current text in section 4.1 says that a UA has "an Instance 
Identifier".

cheers,
(-:bob

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christer Holmberg
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 3:45 PM
To: Juha Heinanen; [email protected]; Paul Kyzivat; Dean Willis
Subject: Re: [Sip] Dual registration without Outbound


Hi,

>>the proxy does not, but i don't want to complicate
>>configuration of the UA simply in order to cope with the
>>brain damage of ob draft.  also, don't want that the UA
>>has to send two invites for one contact each.
>
>typo: i don't want that the UA has to send two REGISTERs for
>one contact each.  that is, UA must be able to register both
>of its contacts in a single register request.

You will still have to send a REGISTER for each flow that you establish
- no matter whether you use the same contact/instance-id or not.

Or, do you also want to change outbound so that you can establish
multiple flows with a single REGISTER?

Regards,

Christer

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