Although this discussion is moving toward a discussion of political beliefs, it does discuss options and if they should be in the product or not, whether to protect the company or the employee. The argument presented here is that a company is fictional. As a business owner, I would be inclined to argue that point, and would rather state that employment by a company puts one into a fiction position, which can come and go at the will of the company. The company, encompasses the intellectual property, investment, and hard work of the principals. In this particular argument, I agree, the Creator is greater than the created. The company that has created the position, is greater and has the right to protect its property from all created positions within the company.
The rights to all property of the company, and that produced by its fictional positions is owned by the company, after all, that work was tendered in a fair exchange of wages for the production of that property. So, we have both sides of the argument now. The question of the day is this - will the features as designed in 4.4 work for MOST companies, I believe a resounding yes is the answer, and I give +1 for Douglas's suggestion to leave it as it is in 4.4. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Operations Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 12:23 PM To: 'sipXecs developer discussions' Subject: Re: [sipx-dev] Conference Email notification(4.6) My suggestions are only in relation to options that could possibly be made available to both users and administrators. I hope I didn't construe them as rights. Companies are created fictional entities. They are transmitting utilities conveying a service or a product. No company in the world can have authority or rights over any human being unless we voluntarily give up those rights and become servants of a fiction, but really, is the created greater than the Creator. Options that allow the user to freely choose for himself or herself within a given scope, is the right, and correct thing to do, but that's only my offered opinion. That being said, the choice is not up to me. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tony Graziano Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 12:14 PM To: sipXecs developer discussions Subject: Re: [sipx-dev] Conference Email notification(4.6) we tread into the ground where now we advertise the capabilities to be searchable and discoverable and don't have a foolproof way to maintain the data. I dont have the opinion the user has rights in as much as the company has the rights and asserts those (always trumps the user). I think maybe to give you the indication someone is in the conference room, is recording and such the feature can be more simply added to the IM service than it can be in email. then if the company decides not to log IM conversations they have the ability to do so or keep it from federating with a users personal account to maintain easier control. On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Operations <[email protected]> wrote: We're talking about options for the user. The user should have the option to receive a simple email notification about a conference call he initiated. A recording should not be attached, unless you don't mind being embarrassed like the FBI when anonymous posted one of their conference calls online earlier this year. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tony Graziano Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 11:38 AM To: sipXecs developer discussions Subject: Re: [sipx-dev] Conference Email notification(4.6) but the contents of that communication belong to the company and not to john. john has no right to the recording. On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Operations <[email protected]> wrote: I understand your point, but let's say you fire John from your company today, and tomorrow he files a complaint with the labor department detailing the contention of unfair dismissal, he suspects, are over the contents of a conference call. John, has no option to receive email notification that the conference call took place and was completed on the date in question and you don't know what the hell he's talking about. John has no recourse, you win, and sipx is complicit. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tony Graziano Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 10:40 AM To: sipXecs developer discussions Subject: Re: [sipx-dev] Conference Email notification(4.6) Right now the admin or owner of the conference can already set the conferences to be automatically recorded. I don't see the point in alerting by email something they should already, inherently, know. On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 9:32 AM, Operations <[email protected]> wrote: I would think for a business you would want to have the option of recording the conference as part of your records for many reasons. It would be nice to have a conferences page that lists dates, times, duration, participants, etc of all the conferences held, and links to recordings of those conferences, either for future reference, research, or to avoid litigation, etc. Some options should be available on the administrative level where company policy comes into play, while other options would be available to the user, such as email notification, or sending a copy of the conference to the inbox. With respect, Stephen. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kumaran Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 8:32 AM To: sipXecs developer discussions Subject: Re: [sipx-dev] Conference Email notification(4.6) On 8/1/2012 4:09 PM, Mircea Carasel wrote: So can I raise a improvement either for removing attachment option in sipxecs or never to send conference email notification? I 'd say not to send email notification for conference... but maybe others can have other opinions... 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