Actually, it's one more keystroke, just hit either applications or shift F10 your preference, then enter, but again, this is why, don't go on assumption.
when I hity enter and nothing happened, I didn't go, o, crap, it's broken. Chris. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Claypool" <[email protected]> To: <jr at jrw.org>; "a list for discussing skype and its use with screen accesssoftware." <skypeenglish at emissives.com> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] scripts for beta 4 I totally agree with enter starting a call, or having that in the options like it was before. I hardly ever pick im as my main preference in skype, so pressing enter should start a call. Having the option however to choose makes it a perfect world for all. Ricko ?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. R. Westmoreland" <[email protected]> To: "'a list for discussing skype and its use with screen access software.'" <skypeenglish at emissives.com> Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] scripts for beta 4 >I agree with the enter etc. Those of us who are used to the enter being a > call will go nuts. > Well, at least until we get used to it or have a stroke from frustration. > <smile> > It would be nice to break as few habbits as possible. But, having said all > that, I guess I can live with whatever comes. > > Best, > J. R. > > -------------------- > J. R. Westmoreland > E-mail: jr at jrw.org > > > -----Original Message----- > From: skypeenglish-bounces at emissives.com > [mailto:skypeenglish-bounces at emissives.com] On Behalf Of jim grimsby Jr. > Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 9:36 PM > To: 'a list for discussing skype and its use with screen access software.' > Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] scripts for beta 4 > > Hi Doug the only reason I think the name of the tools menu should be > change > is the name of options describes more of what this menu is. > For example this is where you set your skype setting pick your langwige > etc. > also the reason for removing dooplakits in the options dialog is simply to > avoid confewtion. It is like ok I see video twice. So now the first time > I > see it I have to tab threw to see if there is anything new here. I see > this > in the options dialog now I see it on the menu does this option on the > menu > do something that the one in the dialog does not do so now I have to > check. > Having the same options all over the place is just not user friendly. > Give > me one place to do what I need to do and if possible give me a meaningful > short cut and hot key to do it. > Also you will now note that pressing enter now starts an im with the > contact > you are on in the contact list. > I would say that pressing inter should call the contact and control enter > should start an im. > > -----Original Message----- > From: skypeenglish-bounces at emissives.com > [mailto:skypeenglish-bounces at emissives.com] On Behalf Of Doug Lee > Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 8:01 PM > To: a list for discussing skype and its use with screen access software. > Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] scripts for beta 4 > > Pardon my replying in mid-post format instead of top-posting like we > normally do on lists populated primarily by blind people. I'm > forwarding this entire message to a Skype guy who's currently sitting > across a table from me in a Hilton hotel bar. <grin> > > On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 07:03:10PM -0700, jim grimsby Jr. wrote: >> I would first like to start out by commending doug for excellent work on >> the new scripts. You are simply amazing getting a beta version of the >> scripts out only three days after the initial release of Beta one is > quite >> impressive. > > They were actually out on the same day as the beta release, but I'm > afraid that wasn't as amazing as you might think. I started work on > these weeks ago. <smile> > >> That being said I would like to say a few things about the Skype beta >> itself. >> I will try to keep most of my comments on accessibility concerns since > that >> is the purpose of this list. >> Skype has switched from a multiple window system and multiple tab system > to >> a multiple pain system. >> This being said, the standard keyboard command for switching between >> panes >> is F6 to move forward by pain and shipped F6 to move backward by pain. >> They should implement jumping to pains with control and the number keys. >> With all of the available panes appearing in the view menu. > > There are only two panes. The left pane is where the Contact list or > the Conversation list appear, whichever you choose. Skype natively > lets you type Alt+1 or Alt+2 to show and focus Contacts or > Conversations in that pane, respectively. I changed those to Ctrl+1 > and Ctrl+2 to keep from conflicting with the normal Alt+numbers for > reading chat messages, and I am encouraging Skype to make that change > internally. The View menu also has options to switch between Contacts > and Conversations, but again, those are two lists in the left pane, > only one of which shows up at a time. My recommendation, based on > yours and on what's already being done, is that F6 and Shift+F6 be > implemented because they are standard pane-switching commands, but > that Ctrl+numbers *not* be assigned to jumping to specific panes, as > they have better uses. > > If more than two panes can exist in Skype 4, I don't know it but that > might change my recommendations a bit. > >> The context menu shortcuts should be changed to mean something useful. > For >> example, when in the context pane and you right click on a contact all > of >> the items for sends spell out the word send. Sorry this is not >> intuitive. If I want to send an instant message, the intuitive shortcut >> would be i. if I want to send a person a file the intuitive shortcut > would >> be f, and so on. >> We have the same problem in the menu bar with three items starting with > the >> letter C. all of them having the shortcut of c. >> Let the shortcut for Paul be the letter a. Let the shortcut for >> conversation be the letter C. and let the shortcut for contacts be the >> letter o. > > Agreed: (1) each shortcut must be unique to make them useful, and (2) > they should be assigned mnemonically, not aesthetically. Standard > shortcut assignment rules are to pick the first available letter for > each option, but this was causing problems of consistency before, like > Alt+O for Options changing to Alt+P when an item was added above > Options in the Tools menu, and View Profile in Context menus being V > in some and W in others. I therefore propose that a mnemonic > assignment, once assigned, not change as new menu items are > added--particularly when the already-assigned item is frequently used. > >> Put the change your mood text back in the profile menu. After all, you >> have add video to my mood. So why not a change your mood text menu >> item? > > Agreed. > >> Remove duplicates >> For example in the options dialog there are two places to configure >> sound >> and video. They do the same thing one place for this configuration is >> enough. >> Another thing is there is an option to set privacy in the skype menu >> this >> can already be done within the options dialog so having this menu option > is >> pointless. I am sure you get the idea. > > I don't care one way or the other on this, but I suspect > business/marketing forces drive where menu items appear sometimes. I > would consider this a low-priority issue. > >> In the skype menu you have the option called presence. Short cut again > is >> p. >> And then you have the option called profile, and guess what the short >> cut >> is p. change presence back to change status. Short cut of s put sign out > in >> that sub menu where it belongs. >> Put change pass word in the profile section where it belong. Remove the > buy >> credit menu option it is a link in the account section and there for >> not >> needed in the skype menu. >> Put share skype with a friend in the contacts section. After all you are >> sharing it with him in Oder to contact him right? > > A lot of ideas there, but again, I think we're up against business > decisions, and I would not urge high priority on these items. > >> Rename the tools menu to options. >> Rename the options dialog to preferences. > > I do not think this is a good idea because the existing names have > been around for a long time and people are used to them. > >> More exselorator keys. >> Like create new contact control+n. >> Preferences control+p. etc. >> Or as I said in the past the ability to set global hot keys and local > ones. >> With defaults set and turned on. > > The extra accelerators would be helpful, yes. To explain local vs. > global hotkeys for the benefit of those who never saw that discussion: > "Global hotkeys" are what we have now. "Local hotkeys" would only > work when a Skype window is in focus. I thought this would be too > confusing for most users, but I'm forwarding the idea for others to > ponder. > >> Doug take these ideas and forward what you think will be helpful and > discard >> the rest as usual. > > Doing so directly. I will not often do things quite like this, but > since I am actually out here with Skype developers in person, it seems > to make sense this weekend. :-) Btw, pardon any typos, I'm typing > this over the top of some fairly loud music and conversation. > > -- > Doug Lee dgl at dlee.org > SSB BART Group doug.lee at ssbbartgroup.com > http://www.ssbbartgroup.com > "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them > to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum > > Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the > latest version of skype go to > http://www.dlee.org/skype > To access tutorials and other goodies go to > http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html > thanks and have a wonderful day. > > > _______________________________________________ > Skypeenglish mailing list > Skypeenglish at emissives.com > http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com > > > Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the > latest version of skype go to > http://www.dlee.org/skype > To access tutorials and other goodies go to > http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html > thanks and have a wonderful day. > > > _______________________________________________ > Skypeenglish mailing list > Skypeenglish at emissives.com > http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com > > > Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the > latest version of skype go to > http://www.dlee.org/skype > To access tutorials and other goodies go to > http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html > thanks and have a wonderful day. > > > _______________________________________________ > Skypeenglish mailing list > Skypeenglish at emissives.com > http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the latest version of skype go to http://www.dlee.org/skype To access tutorials and other goodies go to http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html thanks and have a wonderful day. _______________________________________________ Skypeenglish mailing list Skypeenglish at emissives.com http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com
