I agree with chriss on a lot of points just be patient guys and deal with what we already have ight now the skype developers have a life away from the pc as well you all know that no offence thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Gilland Desktop" <[email protected]> To: <jr at jrw.org>; "a list for discussing skype and its use with screen accesssoftware." <skypeenglish at emissives.com> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] scripts for beta 4
Yih, yih, yih, yih, yih! I still don't know why you all think Skype4's so bad. A computer program should be easy yes, but, when it is so easy that you just do one little keystroke... I mean suppose I say, ok, hit alt+c. OK, before you do, can you tell me where it'll go? Or to rephraise: If I am in v3.8 we'll say, If I say to you, ok, how do I hang up the current call if my hot keys are not set up? Yeah, you'll say, ok, hit alt+c, then the letter n, then enter. But, aa! OK, but, can you tell me specifically without looking at Skype where these keystrokes are landing you? You say, Chris, what the heck is your point, you're waisting precious list traffic bandwidth. My, point, thank you very much? is this! Firstly, though I think dug's done a wonderful! job, do not for even one split fraction of a second misjudge what I am about to say. Dug's done fantastic. Do I use his scripts? Heck? yes! Love 'em! But! Guys, frankly, if all you're gonna do is learn that a certain key stroke does X, then rely on it, what are you gonna do then, when thinks like this happen? cry and say, o, woawizz me? I don't know what the hell i'm doing? Teacher! Hold my little hand? Sarah, you must forgive me, for being so blunt, but before yu ban me, or jump off the creak at me, let me explain what I am meaning so you understand my reasonning for this of what I'm saying. No one program is gonna necessarily work exactly as you want it to. I feel we should not as the in-user, have to train or teach a program. I think the program should teach us!~ Yes, you heard me right. A program should, teach, us! Having said this: Yes, Dug's scripts certainly enhance things, but you cannot expect, everything in every build, i don't care if you're saying Skype, or if you're saying virtual wishie washy carpet cleaner for intel carpet processors. OK, that! was darn, stupid! LOL! Point, is: If you only learn by keystrokes, but don't really know what you're doing, then have you learned the program, really? See, I like it when programmers change things around like this, within reason of corse. Which, I feel, Skype 4, is. It kind a makes you, if you are one of the lazy types which I am not, btw, and again, I mean no offense in that stereo type. I am not!, o, am I so! not! calling you all lazy, I'm only saying, this then I'll get off my witching, change the w to a b, session. I think we need to go a little easier on the Skype developers. Givem a break, for Christ sake! Things may not be as you like it, and you're giving reasons why you don't, and some of them are, valid, I'l give you that. but, can you all tell me this: why do these changes make you so uncomfortable when they're still! doable. Is it cause it's gotten out of your comfort zone, and if so? Why. If it is just o, I am so used to doing things the other way where it's so easy, I just hit one key and don't really know what it's doing, I just know it is. Well, then, that's parta your problem, right there. You'd not know what it's doing if it jumped up, and bitcha. Me frankly, any time I see something does work as I think, rather than blaming programmers, of scripters etc. Yes I will, but before I do, I step back and say: ok, wait. is it fair to blame them? Or, Could it just be that maybe I don't get the concept of how something now works? Then, I start exploring things. I actually look at the menu bar. OK, so, some of the keys could be changed around, but the point is, it could! be worse, I mean, it could have no access at all, period. At least now you can alt then right arrow through. I dono, maybe I am being a female donkey, and if so, parden me for it, but over the last week since 4's been released, I've heard absolutely nothing but bad things. Not even one good. Yeah I have heard some people give advantages, but, then there is always the well but, well but. bwih bwih bwih, come on, looks. ??iss'ss'ssiz why, things, are, exact. Then, they blame the scripters and programmers just because something doesn't work as they expect. they then say, the developers are lagging on accessibility, they're not doing their jobs etc. Not that yall specifically said that, but I know a lot of you who are probably thinking it, you can deny it all you want, but I know some a you, not all, but some, who probably think so. It's ok, I dont' need to know whom of you, point is, it's the case, most, likely. I just wish before people would start saying things are not accessible, or could use more accessibility fixes, try to do with what you can. Maybe I see accessible as different than most. I dono. I find accessibility to be, if I go to a program, and can use the pc cursor, I can navigate around every single possible thing, that's accessible. If I on the other hand cannot, however with the mouse navigation, or the jaws cursor, etc. can, then, that is still! perfectly accessible. It may be a little more tricky, and a little bit more tedious, but point is, it, is, accessible, and is! doable. take the root word of accessible. What do you get: Access. OK, well, can you access the whole skype program now with how Dug has done this and how Skype's done it? I didn't ask, can you do it with the jaws cursor, I asked can you do it, point blank. Yes, you can. Now, take something where jaws cursor all you want pc cursor all you want, do your menu bar all you want, do you get even the ever so slightest a feedback? No? That! is inaccessible in my book. Just cause you gotta mouse around or use the menu bar manually etc. does not! make something more accessible or less. It's just how it is. Rather than using a keystroke or two as a crutch, why not really learn how the program is laid out? OK, ranting session over. I just had to speak my mind. I'm sorry if i'm outta line doing so, but no offense at all intended, In all do respect, this is becoming stupidly pathetic. My over all point, no one said you had to run the Skype beta and neither did Dug. If you don't like it, go back to 3.8 for now. Chris. Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the latest version of skype go to http://www.dlee.org/skype To access tutorials and other goodies go to http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html thanks and have a wonderful day. _______________________________________________ Skypeenglish mailing list Skypeenglish at emissives.com http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com
