whitemice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: On an administrative note, was your email written with the OpenGroupware mail client? Whatever tool you are using is randomly eating whitespace between words in my text, which leads to /very/ poor readability.
>> >> OpenGroupware was technically very good when I reviewed it some time >> >> ago, but I have not used it in production or looked at it in several >> >> years. >> > I'm an OpenGroupware developer, so my opinion is obvious. We are >> > currently working on making sure CalDAV (Sunbird) support is working >> > smoothly. And a new [commercial] Outlook connector is under >> > development (pre-release soon) for any server that supports >> > GroupDAV. [...] >> That said, while I would not dispute your comment on Scalix, the claim >> that Zimbra is any less "Open Source" than OpenGroupware seems -- to >> me -- to be a pretty hard claim to support. >> >> Both products seem to offer a selection of standard protocols, use >> existingopen sourcecomponents, and provide a commercial version that >> adds extra features including Outlook support. > > True, and Zimbra has certainly improved their openness. You still > have to get features like mobile device support (a server side > feature) as a commercial product. *shrug* OpenGroupware still make me pay for the Outlook integration; while they may have selected different features to make commercial there isn't much fundamental difference is business model, as far as I can tell. > And they use the ZPL/YPL licenses which are not OSI approved. ...but which has been, none the less, adapted sufficiently to meet Fedora licensing requirements, which is either OSI approved, or meets their standards for openness. http://www.press.redhat.com/2008/07/24/zimbra-leverages-red-hat-exchange-to-navigate-license-issue/#more-439 >> As far as I can tell, from a licensing / open source perspective, >> both Zimbra and OpenGroupware are equally "open" or "closed", >> depending on how you count such things. >> >> You clearly disagree with this, from that statement, and I would be very >> interested to know why you feel that way. Specifically, I would be >> happy to learn where I was mistaken in my assessment, and that might >> well change the way I deal with recommendations in future. >> (I would have described OpenGroupware as "semi-commercial" if I had been >> enthusiastic enough to annotate it, you see.) > > The position of Zimbra-is-"Open Source" can be argued either way. > I think it isn't. > > I certainly disgree about OGo's "semi-commercial" stature, but this > seems to be a common misconception. There is nothing in the OGo > server's feature list you don't get if you check out the code from the > repository, OK. That contrasts to Zimbra, where server-side features are also commercial, and explains your point of view effectively, I think. [...] > Hopefully the fact that the Outlook connector supports multiple- > servers will break the notion that OGo's open-source server is some > kind of straw-man for a commercial product (it isn't). I certainly wasn't trying to set up a straw-man argument; I was working from the readily available information I had, and my experience with the product some years ago. > I *assume* that the notion that OGo isn't a truly Open Source project > came from the existence of the ZideLook (commercial) product [the > Outlook connector]. My views came from the existence of commercial add-on products, and from the fact that the commercial vendor who (a) sells the Outlook client and (b) sells commercial versions of OGo is (well, was, and presumably still is) also a major contributor to the product in terms of person-hours. In any case I didn't intend to suggest that the OGo server was not open source, and I am sorry my comments read that way. I do still believe that it, like Zimbra, is a satisfactorily "open source" project with commercial addenda that fund the company or companies that contribute to the suite. I also believe that this is a good thing, in case that was not clear. :) Regards, Daniel -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
