The reality of amps is they also create some noise of their own.  You will
find that amps add from 3 to 6dB of noise and will reduce your SN ratio. 
Now we love to sell amps.  But if it were me I would never put an amp on
an omni antenna unless there wasn't anybody for 50 miles of the tower. 
But then why would I have a AP there?  Amp only sectors, except in special
applications.

Mike B


> Whats with all of you and this thing against Amps SO WHAT if it amps the
> noise the SNR is the same so its fine, the point is getting the S to a
> point that its hearable otherwise amps would be nonsense and no one
> would buy em and they wouldn't sell them anymore. The fact is you can't
> get away from noise so make the signal as high as you can to hear it you
> think u can hear a 35mw lucent from 1 mile away on an ap with no antenna
> on the lucent and actually surf well with a few lil obstructions without
> any whatsoever amp? If you can please tell me how cause we have tried,
> even if your just amping enough to compensate cable loss at the AP, but
> in my view amps don't really matter if there amping the nose cause there
> amping everything so the SNR ratio is the same its just now instead of
> hearing and yelling like an infant you're an adult. But that's my view I
> might be a complete loony bin but then again it wudnt be the first time
> I was told I was wrong.
>
> Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Foster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 10:27 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Amps amplify signal *and* noise, so to my thinking, you'd want as little
> amping as possible.
> High gain antennas is good, but the higer the gain, the narrower the
> vertical beamwidth.
>
> Good luck and have fun figuring out what's best. ;)
>
> (I started out with a 500mw amp and a 8dB omni. Everything got *much*
> better when I went to sectors)
>
> Tim Foster
> Aledo BroadBand
> < www.AledoBroadBand.com >
> Aledo's only high-speed ISP
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dan @ Wyoming.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 9:06 PM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Cost Effective Tower!
>>
>>
>> I would at least go with a 9dbi omni.  Here is the one we have been
>> using until we put up our 120 sectors.
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3039990945&cate
>> gory=11175
>>
>> Very inexpensive.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 20:55:25 -0500
>> "Dennis Burgess" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >      I again, am getting ready to install my equipment on a tower.
>> > We are planing on using a 5db omni with a 1watt amp.  However, we do
>> also have to install a 19db pacwireless grid antenna on the tower
>> also.
>> >
>> > Would this work to save cash?
>> >
>> > 19db grid backhaul connected to Airbridge Outdoor --> Ethernet
>> running down tower into shack --> into switch -- > Into Airpoint
>> Indoor (i do belive this has 100mw) --> Power injector for amp -->
>> up tower to amp --> 1 foot to omni.
>> >
>> > We need to get some cash coming in first then we will upgrade to 180
>> sectors.
>> >
>> > Let me know
>> >
>> > Dennis
>>
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