Proxim can *BEEP BEEP BEEP* there radio's drastically got everything messed up and nearly drove us nuts... the sb ap's saved us and haven't skipped a beat as far as I can tell so far and the new ones will hopefully even be better because I can see with the POEO that sb is moving in the right direction.
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: George [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 11:56 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am ass u me ing .
But after look at the page, it doesn't say that it does do routing.
Go figure.
George
http://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-rwb/rwb-mcpe.htm
The Wirefree Network wrote:
>May be a stupid question...but why do you think there is a built in
>router?
>
>Sully
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of George
>Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 6:10 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Brand New APPO's!
>
>I think the cost difference is made up by :
>A- Higher quality
>B- Bandwidth controll at the end user
>C- Routing, assuming they do routing, then you can eliminate a soho
>gateway router. This is especially important for your small office
>customers. They can't be going down because of an inadequate radio, nor
>can they be going down because of a cheapo gateway router.
>
>Gateway routers........ the next bunch of manufacturers that need to get
>
>the butts reammed for selling crap.
>
>I haven't used Ray and Tony's stuff yet. I would if I had a need,
>
>I use Star-Os for my AP's but I also use them for my business class
>cpe's and for my multi tenant cpe, they do mucho routing and bandwidth
>controll as well as have the space for 3 nics and 1 wireless cards. or 3
>
>wireless cards and 1 nic, or mix and match , or even put in a multi port
>
>nic card and you have as much as 9 ports plus a wireless feed, all with
>routing and other benefits.
>
>
>
>George
>
>Joe Email wrote:
>
>
>
>>Shawn
>>How is this Reliawave any cheaper
>>We pay $229.00 aBO and $55.00 for 18 dBi antenna = $284.00, For Total
>>$289.00
>>Hey, I want them to fix these problems as much as anyone, that is why
>>we have been holding off on deploying
>>We purchased 2 of the YDI etherant 2's at the first of the year, those
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>things haven't blinked yet, they cost about $100
>>more than the airBridge
>>I am looking at other options as well
>>A few days ago, I told them they needed to swap out any units directly
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>and today already, they said they would
>>I am like you guys, they still have some bad chips in the pipeline
>>I am getting ready to install 3 aPPO's about 300' on a tower but I am
>>really scared to, the last time I had 3 radio's put
>>on a tower at this height, it cost me $700
>>Joe K
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]*On Behalf Of *Shawn
>>
>>
>Mitchell
>
>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 23, 2003 4:48 PM
>> *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> *Subject:* RE: [smartBridges] Brand New APPO's!
>>
>> http://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-rwb/rwb-mcpe.htm
>> You test that unit any? It's a full outdoor CPE cheaper than SB's
>> airBridge... and it also is a lot more sensitive than the
>> airBridge... 11meg at -91dBm, 1 meg at -96dBm Also supports rate
>> limiting on the unit, PoE, and a few others things...
>> Has something I really wish the airBrige had... a web based
>> management. I don't like installing software on my PC, or the
>> customers PC. I like Linux running on my laptop... allows me to do
>> MUCH more...
>> Anyone here have any experience with their products that can give
>> a good full review on them?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]*On Behalf Of *Ray
>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 23, 2003 13:32
>> *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> *Subject:* Re: [smartBridges] Brand New APPO's!
>>
>> You can also look at the Reliawave units at www.demarctech.com
>> <http://www.demarctech.com>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Marlon Schafer (509-982-2181)
>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 23, 2003 10:47 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [smartBridges] Brand New APPO's!
>>
>> You are preaching to the chior on those points.... Trust
>> me, I've known of SB longer than most anyone here. I
>> helped (it can easily be argued) get the off and running,
>> certainly in the wisp market.
>> I use a ton of sb gear and may well have outspent you too.
>> We're seeing trouble too. I've warned the owner of SB for
>> at least a couple of months now that this problem has to
>> go away NOW. It's costing customers. And in my market
>> there aren't that many to start with!.
>> The alternative to an abo total though is a $400 to $500
>> Zcomax or Telex unit (the telex ones seem very nice if my
>> pre production unit is any indication!). At some point
>> we'll have to decide if the warranty work or up front
>> costs is a greater cost to us.
>> I certainly don't expect low end pricing to be equal to
>> high end gear.... Much as I'd like to have both ;-).
>> Course, I've been in this game long enough to have
>> purchased indoor bridges at $1400 each! Even $500 for a
>> complete kit sounds good ;-).
>> marlon
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Blazen Wireless
>>
>>
><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>> *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 23, 2003 9:07 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [smartBridges] Brand New APPO's!
>>
>> Marlon,
>> Please if you look at the history we had GREAT WORKING
>> units coming form SB then all of a sudden WHAM it went
>> into the TANK WHY? nothing changed on our ends yet SB
>> claimed nothing was wrong then LOW AND BEHOLD OHH GEE
>> a chip problem we overlooked! get the picture? Now
>> they claim the problems are fixed but the true
>> diahards are seeing otherwise since we use 100% SB
>> product you bet your ass I am going to bitch I have
>> sunk well over $15K in SB product from various vendors
>> I have that right to bitch when something does not
>> work and it was before all this whole thing...
>>
>> *From:* Marlon Schafer (509-982-2181)
>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 23, 2003 8:55 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [smartBridges] Brand New APPO's!
>>
>> It's an amazing thing isn't it. We buy very nice
>> devices at below market rates and then have the
>> guts to get made when they don't perform better
>> than anything else we've ever run! lol
>> If only we didn't have to compete against cable
>> and dsl companies that have the money to buy
>> customers....
>> marlon
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* The Wirefree Network
>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 22, 2003 8:39 PM
>> *Subject:* RE: [smartBridges] Brand New
>>
>>
>APPO's!
>
>
>> Of course they work out of the box. The
>> firmware upgrade was not to enable the device.
>> It was to correct the "timing" issue which was
>> causing disassociation (heat related). So.it
>> will work out of the box. It just may crash
>> soon after..that is why the sticker says
>>
>>
>upgrade.
>
>
>> With that said, I had the same problems with
>> my units. They initially started flashing all
>> the lights. Wooohoo.all my clients are coming
>> online. Within 5 minutes, the blue light
>> stopped and soon there after the LAN side
>> locked up as well. Bad units..RMA them.
>>
>> But hey.I am not on sB's payroll.and I don't
>> approve the RMA's.so don't listen to me. I
>> have just spent enough time playing with these
>> units. Prior to June.you plugged them in and
>> they just worked. BAMMM!
>>
>> Sully
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] *On
>> Behalf Of *Shawn Mitchell
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 22, 2003 8:16 PM
>> *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> *Subject:* RE: [smartBridges] Brand New
>>
>>
>APPO's!
>
>
>> Nish,
>>
>> My point is that they would work out of the
>> box WITH OUT upgrading them. The units both
>> had blue flashing lights, but one of them
>> didn't after they had been running sitting in
>> the sun for several hours.
>>
>> Yes, the Ethernet was working great.. I was
>> connected to it via simpleMonitor watching the
>> RF (wireless) counters... all sitting at 0...
>> I'm trying to tell you that you have have
>> solved some of the heat issues, but not all of
>> them. Your still sending out bad units and
>> telling people to put a bandaid on them. Intel
>> tried the same thing with their old Pentium
>> 60Mhz CPU's years back, and in the end they
>> switched them out with good ones.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]*On
>> Behalf Of *Nish Park
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 22, 2003 21:54
>> *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> *Subject:* RE: [smartBridges] Brand New
>> APPO's!
>>
>> Shawn,
>>
>> I read the email a few times and watched
>> the movie also. I am not sure what point
>> you are trying to make. As the label says,
>> you need to upgrade the F/W before it will
>> work properly. There are no units with
>> "bad" chips in them. The thermal issue can
>> be solved by either the new hardware or
>> the new firmware.
>>
>> (ps. After the firmware upgrade you may
>> want to associate a client to check the
>> operation. In the movie it looks like you
>> may have a unit with bad Blue LED.
>> Ethernet LED is flashing as per normal so
>> it looks like the units is working ok but
>> for some reason the Blue LED may have come
>> off the solder joint).
>>
>> Nish
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> *On Behalf Of *Shawn Mitchell
>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 23, 2003 9:20 AM
>> *To:* '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
>> *Subject:* RE: [smartBridges] Brand New
>> APPO's!
>>
>> I'm resizing the images and stuff right
>> now... I'll have them put up pretty soon,
>> but you'll see my point exactly on what
>> I've been dealing with over the last few
>> months.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>>
>>
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]*On
>
>
>> Behalf Of *Chris Chance
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 22, 2003 18:38
>> *To:* '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
>> *Subject:* RE: [smartBridges] Brand
>> New APPO's!
>>
>> How the hell... whats that bug u speak
>> of sounds kinda funny since u said u
>> passed traffic
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Shawn Mitchell
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 7:05 PM
>> To: smartBridges
>>
>> And they have bad chips in them!
>>
>> The white sticker on the box say's
>> "Before these will work correctly, you
>> must upgrade them"... So I think to
>> myself, "Smartbridges said they pulled
>> back all the ones they still had with
>> bad chips, so these must not have any
>> heat issues... right.." WRONG!
>>
>> Here's a nice little 30 second movie:
>> http://www.iodamedia.net/new-appo.avi
>>
>> One on the bottom is running the .8
>> code, one on top is running the code
>>
>>
>it
>
>
>> came with, .5
>>
>> Now, they got deliverd at around
>> 12:30pm CDT. I wasn't there, called
>>
>>
>them
>
>
>> on the phone and told them to sit them
>> outside in the sun, plugged in just
>> for grins.
>>
>> This day (yesterday) happen to be
>> breaking record temps all over the
>>
>>
>place.
>
>
>> It showed 102*F on the temp readout on
>> my jeep. These units were warm, but
>> not hot to the touch. "burnning" to
>> the human touch is around 50*C
>>
>>
>(122*F).
>
>
>> MUCH lower than what the units are
>> rated at.
>>
>> But anyway, you can very plainly see
>> that on the bottom unit, it's working
>> just as normal (RFtxrx light blinks),
>> but on the top one... it's totaly off.
>> DEAD...
>>
>> well, I didn't replace the two AP's
>> that I needed to replace still. I
>> tested them today.. I'm going to put
>> up the screen shots from it.. it's
>> quite funny, and let's just say I
>> found a few FW bugs in the airBridge,
>>
>>
>or
>
>
>> else SB you make good enough of a
>> radio that it connected to an AP 5
>>
>>
>miles
>
>
>> away, through/around a large hill, and
>> through 20+ multistory brick
>> buildings (with a RSSI of -20
>> something and a LQ of 90%+ and passing
>> traffic
>> for a while)
>>
>>
>>
>
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