Thanks Virginia. Youtube doesn't always offer the same quality sound as
'lossless' (though often it's very good). Also, I wouldn't be able to
organise the recordings as downloads without subscribing, and then I
would have the problem of how I organise them. I would end up putting
them in the Music app so it's a complete circle back to Apple Music
anyway!
Like a lot of others commenting, I have some very odd bits and pieces of
music that aren't on any of these services so my priority is keeping
hold of them. Though many once-rareties are easily available now, there
is still a whole pile of things that have been forgotten...
cheers,
J
On 5 Jan 2022, at 8:32, Virginia Routh wrote:
I’m a classical music lover, and find YouTube excellent. I watch it
on TV (super concerts from Wigmore Hall and around the world) and also
on my phone. Their library is extensive. If you want to hear, say, a
Sibelius symphony there will be 3 or 4 versions to choose from. I pay
for Premium to avoid adverts. Virginia
On 5 Jan 2022, at 00:38, Toby Leighton <[email protected]> wrote:
Apple Music plan includes iTunes Match, so basically everything will
behave for you exactly as it already does!
Apple Music and the ITunes store are actually two separate things, so
some music isn't available in apple music plan, but is available to
buy in itunes, I think both vary by region too, so you may be able to
use a VPN or proxy to make yourself appear to be in a different
country and have more music available (never tried)
I've read horror stories of people having their precious rare
bootlegs replaced with studio versions, or Rap/Hiphop with explicit
lyrics being replaced with clean versions, but I've never experienced
this myself or know any people in real life this has happened to.
I've annoyingly purchased music on places like bandcamp and had say
9/10 songs match and 1 be persistent and refuse to match, so in my
experience the audio detection algorithm is pretty strict. the odd
unmatched song is not a huge deal but I like my library to be orderly
so it sometimes bugs me, but I can't hear the difference which is the
really important thing.
Another thing that isn't obvious and may affect playback on other
devices or software, is that the traditional (256kbps) matched audio
is DRM free, but the new lossless audio + dolby formats are never DRM
free, even when matched to music you already own.
Also once or twice I've stopped my apple music subscription, waited a
few months and got the 3 months for the price of 1 offer again. your
library doesn't vanish in a puff of smoke if you cancel the
subscription, the apple music songs are all there but greyed
unplayable out because you don't have the decryption keys any more.
I know a lot of people get scared that everything could go, and
thinking back to the days of the hard disk based ipod, where if you
connect it to someone else computer you are one accidental misclick
away from losing everything it is certainly a valid concern! I do
make regular backups of my whole library to an external hard drive
just in case.
On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 at 23:02, 'Stephen Watson' via Sussex Mac User
Group <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Jason,
I can’t vouch for uploading items which may have the same name by
the same artist that is on Apple Music already as the only ones I
have recorded and uploaded were because they did not exist on AM. If
you keep backups of all your bootlegs (as it sounds as though you
do) then you should be fine if it goes pear-shaped.
You can definitely upload your own recordings and then stream them
back down, for example my copy of “You’ve got to be a hustler if
you want to get on!” by Sue Wilkinson is inexplicably not in the
AM catalogue but I can play it on all my devices after recording the
7” vinyl myself and then uploading it to AM. 😀
One of my albums was Ricochet & I had it on vinyl since release.
Joined up to AM and Ricochet was there so I added it to my library.
When I went to play it next it said it was no longer available, or
similar! It turned out that the Album had been removed as an
individual album, but had been subsumed into “Tangerine Dream -
the Virgin Years 1970 to 1978”, or something like that. Ricochet
has now become two tracks on a “compilation album”. So, I
created a playlist called Ricochet, added just those two tracks that
comprise Ricochet taken from the compilation and set the
playlist’s artwork to the Ricochet cover. Longwinded but I
effectively re-created the album. I have a “virtual albums”
folder which contains several playlists like this. Joan
Armatrading’s “Show Some Emotion” album is not in the AM
catalogue(!) but all but one of its tracks are present scattered
across about 3 compilation albums so I’ve made another virtual
album of that. It’s very tedious and is the price of streaming …
Apart from this silliness, which I suspect is out of Apple’s hands
and in those of the labels and copyright holders, I’ve loved it -
pretty much every piece of music I’ve ever had at home (bar a few
tracks) I can now listen to when I want in the car or train or bus.
That’s worth the annoyances. And the fee … plus of course, I can
add anything interesting that I hear.
You may like to try out the “Albums” app. It doesn’t
understand my “virtual albums” as Apple’s app does, but it’s
got some brilliant features and treats your music like a collection
of … albums which is how I’ve always seen my collection.
Cheers,
Stephen
You meet your destiny on the road you take to avoid it. ~ Carl Jung
On 3 Jan 2022, at 21:42, 'Jason Davies' via Sussex Mac User Group
<[email protected]> wrote:
This is useful, thanks. I didn't realise you could upload (you can
with Match, I thought Apple Music just gave you free access to
their catalogue). My issue is that I have a. ridiculous number of
live bootlegs, sometimes the same gig but different recordings and
so on, and I worried they would get overwritten/'upgraded'. I would
be lucky to find them again, you can't buy them anywhere.
Most of mine was also digitised the hard way from vinyl or cassette
years ago, so it gets weird when the iTunes track has a slightly
different title (eg 'German remix version').
I didn't quite understand the Tangerine Dream story (glances over
at my copy of Ricochet). Do you mean you had it beforehand and then
it got 'reorganised'?
I have definitely had iTunes/Music lose stuff, I suspect when I
move everything to a new computer. Entire albums disappear, or odd
songs. I have a separate non-destructive back-up folder that
basically copies anything that's ever in my Music folder. I go into
it regularly, muttering 'I'm sure I had this...'. 70% of the time I
find it there (this also happened recently with TV/Films when I
finally moved everything over from my old computer); thus the
paranoia.
Thanks for this. It does sound like my library is (fairly) safe;)
Cheers,
Jason
On 3 Jan 2022, at 19:54, 'Stephen Watson' via Sussex Mac User Group
wrote:
Hi Jason,
I’ve tried to replicate, as closely as I can, my entire CD and
vinyl collection on Apple Music and have mostly done it (despite
Apple’s/licencee’s efforts to thwart me 😐).
Firstly, I’ve never had match or the equivalent to can’t speak
for that.
I have my entire music library downloaded onto my iPhone, but only
my library on my iPad and iMac, meaning that I can play anything on
my iPhone with no internet and I stream it on the other two.
Mostly.
The only difference is where Apple Music didn’t have the music I
had which meant I actually used Free Audacity to record the missing
vinyl onto my Mac and then uploaded it to Apple Music or bought the
CD where possible and did the same thing. You can upload your own
music to the cloud and then stream it to other devices which is
what I do.
You have to be a detective sometimes! I had three Tangerine Dreams
albums in my library when I first signed up. A month or so later I
went to play one only to find it wasn’t there 😬. What had
happened was than Virgin had put all the early TD albums on one
mega-album and removed the original albums. To get around this I
then setup playlists for the “missing” albums which allows me
to treat them as albums in their own right instead of “tracks 3
and 4 on the Early Years”. I can set my own cover art too!
There are tracks you can buy, but cannot stream and there are
definitely some weird licensing issues for Apple Music but that is
the way the music companies roll I think, but it’s frustrating
and never happened when I owned the music (either physically or via
iTunes).
However, I now have 98% of all the music I’ve ever had on my
phone to take and listen to anywhere (including all my 7”
singles) and it’s a small price to pay for that.
Happy to answer any questions if I can.
Stephen
You meet your destiny on the road you take to avoid it. ~ Carl Jung
On 3 Jan 2022, at 18:43, 'Jason Davies' via Sussex Mac User Group
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hi folks
This is one of those 'surely this is easy but no one talks about
it on the web' questions. I have a carefully collected music
collection, mostly lossless, often rare and hard to replace. I've
had Apple Match for years to get stuff on all devices and I've
been wondering about signing up for Apple Music now that it's
(sometimes) lossless but can't pin down what happens with the
following:
what happens to the music on my iphone (currently nynced only to
the Mac)? Will it still be kept on the phone or it it all 'forced'
to be streamed? The signal on my train journey is lousy so
streaming is not an option.
what happens to the library on my Mac? Is there still such a thing
as 'my library' I can search within?
can I still buy a song? I don't plat to use it for ever, just to
see if the 'related' introduces me to more than my (lets be
honest) 80s-focussed collection;)
Grateful for any answers from those who've taken the plunge.
Cheers,
Jason
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