Ah, this is useful information, about the DRM on lossless. I did suspect there would be surprises. ANd the distinction between iTunes store and Apple Music is one I'd missed - thanks.

As for loss of tracks, I've definitely lost things by replacement; I have plenty of AAC versions (192) of something I know I ripped as apple lossless from a Cd or vinyl that has invisibly swapped itself out. More frustrating (because AAC is pretty good) is when stuff simply vanishes altogether. I verified this happened with about 5% of my songs when I migrated from my old machine (which is still sitting there under the desk so not lost forever).

It's the time and effort of curating it that drives me mad, working out which ones have gone astray or been duplicated (one lossless, one AAC <scream>).

Thanks everyone for chipping in. I'll give it a go after double-checking my back-up strategy!

Cheers,
J

On 5 Jan 2022, at 0:38, Toby Leighton wrote:

Apple Music plan includes iTunes Match, so basically everything will behave
for you exactly as it already does!
Apple Music and the ITunes store are actually two separate things, so some
music isn't available in apple music plan, but is available to buy in
itunes, I think both vary by region too, so you may be able to use a VPN or proxy to make yourself appear to be in a different country and have more
music available (never tried)

I've read horror stories of people having their precious rare bootlegs
replaced with studio versions, or Rap/Hiphop with explicit lyrics being replaced with clean versions, but I've never experienced this myself or
know any people in real life this has happened to.  I've annoyingly
purchased music on places like bandcamp and had say 9/10 songs match and 1 be persistent and refuse to match, so in my experience the audio detection algorithm is pretty strict. the odd unmatched song is not a huge deal but I like my library to be orderly so it sometimes bugs me, but I can't hear the
difference which is the really important thing.

Another thing that isn't obvious and may affect playback on other devices or software, is that the traditional (256kbps) matched audio is DRM free, but the new lossless audio + dolby formats are never DRM free, even when
matched to music you already own.

Also once or twice I've stopped my apple music subscription, waited a few months and got the 3 months for the price of 1 offer again. your library doesn't vanish in a puff of smoke if you cancel the subscription, the apple music songs are all there but greyed unplayable out because you don't have
the decryption keys any more.  I know a lot of people get scared that
everything could go, and thinking back to the days of the hard disk based
ipod, where if you connect it to someone else computer you are one
accidental misclick away from losing everything it is certainly a valid concern! I do make regular backups of my whole library to an external hard
drive just in case.

On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 at 23:02, 'Stephen Watson' via Sussex Mac User Group <
[email protected]> wrote:

Hi Jason,

I can’t vouch for uploading items which may have the same name by the same artist that is on Apple Music already as the only ones I have recorded and uploaded were because they did not exist on AM. If you keep backups of all your bootlegs (as it sounds as though you do) then you should be fine if it
goes pear-shaped.

You can definitely upload your own recordings and then stream them back down, for example my copy of “You’ve got to be a hustler if you want to get on!” by Sue Wilkinson is inexplicably not in the AM catalogue but I can play it on all my devices after recording the 7” vinyl myself and then
uploading it to AM. 😀

One of my albums was Ricochet & I had it on vinyl since release. Joined up to AM and Ricochet was there so I added it to my library. When I went to play it next it said it was no longer available, or similar! It turned out
that the Album had been removed as an individual album, but had been
subsumed into “Tangerine Dream - the Virgin Years 1970 to 1978”, or something like that. Ricochet has now become two tracks on a “compilation album”. So, I created a playlist called Ricochet, added just those two
tracks that comprise Ricochet taken from the compilation and set the
playlist’s artwork to the Ricochet cover. Longwinded but I effectively re-created the album. I have a “virtual albums” folder which contains several playlists like this. Joan Armatrading’s “Show Some Emotion” album is not in the AM catalogue(!) but all but one of its tracks are present scattered across about 3 compilation albums so I’ve made another virtual
album of that. It’s very tedious and is the price of streaming …

Apart from this silliness, which I suspect is out of Apple’s hands and in those of the labels and copyright holders, I’ve loved it - pretty much every piece of music I’ve ever had at home (bar a few tracks) I can now
listen to when I want in the car or train or bus. That’s worth the
annoyances. And the fee … plus of course, I can add anything interesting
that I hear.

You may like to try out the “Albums” app. It doesn’t understand my “virtual albums” as Apple’s app does, but it’s got some brilliant features and treats your music like a collection of … albums which is how I’ve
always seen my collection.

Cheers,
Stephen

You meet your destiny on the road you take to avoid it. ~ Carl Jung

On 3 Jan 2022, at 21:42, 'Jason Davies' via Sussex Mac User Group <
[email protected]> wrote:



This is useful, thanks. I didn't realise you could upload (you can with Match, I thought Apple Music just gave you free access to their catalogue). My issue is that I have a. ridiculous number of live bootlegs, sometimes the same gig but different recordings and so on, and I worried they would get overwritten/'upgraded'. I would be lucky to find them again, you can't
buy them anywhere.

Most of mine was also digitised the hard way from vinyl or cassette years ago, so it gets weird when the iTunes track has a slightly different title
(eg 'German remix version').

I didn't quite understand the Tangerine Dream story (glances over at my
copy of Ricochet). Do you mean you had it beforehand and then it got
'reorganised'?

I have definitely had iTunes/Music lose stuff, I suspect when I move
everything to a new computer. Entire albums disappear, or odd songs. I have a separate non-destructive back-up folder that basically copies anything that's ever in my Music folder. I go into it regularly, muttering 'I'm sure
I had this...'. 70% of the time I find it there (this also happened
recently with TV/Films when I finally moved everything over from my old
computer); thus the paranoia.

Thanks for this. It does sound like my library is (fairly) safe;)

Cheers,
Jason

On 3 Jan 2022, at 19:54, 'Stephen Watson' via Sussex Mac User Group wrote:

Hi Jason,

I’ve tried to replicate, as closely as I can, my entire CD and vinyl
collection on Apple Music and have mostly done it (despite
Apple’s/licencee’s efforts to thwart me 😐).

Firstly, I’ve never had match or the equivalent to can’t speak for that.

I have my entire music library downloaded onto my iPhone, but only my
library on my iPad and iMac, meaning that I can play anything on my iPhone
with no internet and I stream it on the other two. Mostly.

The only difference is where Apple Music didn’t have the music I had which meant I actually used Free Audacity to record the missing vinyl onto my Mac and then uploaded it to Apple Music or bought the CD where possible and did the same thing. You can upload your own music to the cloud and then stream
it to other devices which is what I do.

You have to be a detective sometimes! I had three Tangerine Dreams albums in my library when I first signed up. A month or so later I went to play one only to find it wasn’t there 😬. What had happened was than Virgin had put all the early TD albums on one mega-album and removed the original albums. To get around this I then setup playlists for the “missing” albums
which allows me to treat them as albums in their own right instead of
“tracks 3 and 4 on the Early Years”. I can set my own cover art too!

There are tracks you can buy, but cannot stream and there are definitely some weird licensing issues for Apple Music but that is the way the music companies roll I think, but it’s frustrating and never happened when I
owned the music (either physically or via iTunes).

However, I now have 98% of all the music I’ve ever had on my phone to take and listen to anywhere (including all my 7” singles) and it’s a small price
to pay for that.

Happy to answer any questions if I can.

Stephen

You meet your destiny on the road you take to avoid it. ~ Carl Jung

On 3 Jan 2022, at 18:43, 'Jason Davies' via Sussex Mac User Group <
[email protected]> wrote:



Hi folks

This is one of those 'surely this is easy but no one talks about it on the
web' questions. I have a carefully collected music collection, mostly
lossless, often rare and hard to replace. I've had Apple Match for years to get stuff on all devices and I've been wondering about signing up for Apple Music now that it's (sometimes) lossless but can't pin down what happens
with the following:

   -

what happens to the music on my iphone (currently nynced only to the Mac)? Will it still be kept on the phone or it it all 'forced' to be streamed? The signal on my train journey is lousy so streaming is not an
   option.
   -

what happens to the library on my Mac? Is there still such a thing as
   'my library' I can search within?
   -

can I still buy a song? I don't plat to use it for ever, just to see
   if the 'related' introduces me to more than my (lets be honest)
   80s-focussed collection;)

Grateful for any answers from those who've taken the plunge.

Cheers,

Jason
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