I can get that Monetary Policy is the means which is
used by social credit.  However, what I am getting it
is that monetary policy is now captive to
accommodating the national debt, so that until the
national debt is paid all other matters are crowded
out - or would lead to inflation.
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No, the problem is that YOU are CAPTIVE to an obsolete mindset, so in very general terms in league with the "conspiracy" we are confronting.

You think quantitatively that the dividend will mean
more money, so hence must be inflationary.

First, it does not necessarily mean more money at all
but a different way of introducing some of the money
as dividends directly to people rather than
exclusively in the form of loans which must enter the
costs of production.

The theorem is that A + B--meaning the costs of
production (or the "flow of price values" in Douglas'
terminology) and A must diverge exponentially from
one another if there is labor displacement.
Orthodoxy requires as a matter of policy that you
control one or the other or both, but it's got to go
somewhere, like squeezing the tube of toothpaste with
the cap closed.  If "costs push" is controlled either
by "tight money" or "incomes" policy, then wages (and
other A payments) will fall in respect to the costs
of production leading to stagnation.  If there is
"loose money" policy then the costs of production
will increase in ratio to wages leading to
accelerating inflation.  That is the lesson of the
Phillip's Curve.  Current policy is to chart a middle
course between the extremes which does assure
"stability" but keeps the economy in the permanent
state of under capacity and retarded development.
See Part II Chapter II from *Social Credit* appended
below.

Social credit will close the increasing "gap" between
A + B and A by direct augmentation to A.

But that would require us to break free from the
orthodox mindset.
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This goes to the question I have as to "who loses" if social credit is enacted. Is it the holders of the national debt? Is it borrowers, borrowing institutions or lenders? -------------------------------------------------

Nobody loses.
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Right now the fed does certain things by which money is created. If social credit is enacted, what things won't it do and who loses by them not doing those things? -------------------------------------------------

It would pretty much stay the same except for the
dividend.  The "churning" of course would be greatly
reduced.

Bill
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C. H. Douglas, -*Social Credit*- (1924), Part II, Chapter II:

THE NATURE OF PRICE.

In the foregoing chapter we have endeavoured to
establish two important propositions in generalised
terms. The first of these is:-

(1) That the collective prices of the goods available
for sale at any moment in a given community, if they
have been produced by ordinary commercial methods,
cannot be met by the money available through the
channels of wages, salaries, and dividends, at one
and the same moment. The can be exported in return
for purchasing-power, or they can be destroyed, or
they can be bought by purchasing-power which is
created and distributed -*in respect of a separate
cycle of production.*- This situation is worsened by
what is called saving, but is independent of saving
at the present time.

It may be noted that both in Europe and America,
there are numerous endeavours being made, and
theories propounded, to explain this fact; which was,
until recently, denied as a fact. The forward to a
work by H. B. Hastings ("Costs and Profits"),
published in America, remarks:

"By an accounting method of analysis, the conclusion
is reached that the value, at the current retail
price-level, of goods produced far exceeds the flow
of purchasing-power from permanent sources. In other
words, recurring periods of business depression are
shown to be the result of present financial and
business policies.

"The importance of this new method of approach to the
most important of modern economic problems is self-
evident."

(2) This situation would be almost immediately
destructive to the working of the business system, if
the financial technique did not provide a source of
purchasing-power, or new money, in the form of bank
loans and credit instruments, which does not arise
out of wages, salaries, or dividends, paid for past
production. By the exercise of this technique,
however, industry becomes mortgaged to the banking
system.

While there are good, sound, and fairly obvious
reasons why, in any case, the stupendous power of
creating and destroying the major portion of the
purchasing-power in the world should not be vested in
the hands of private and irresponsible persons, it is
probable that such considerations would fail to
produce any very radical alteration in the system if
they formed the only basis on which criticism could
rest.  It is probable that chattel slavery as an
institution would be more or less permanent if every
slave had been perfectly comfortable. That is to say,
the objection to the situation is that it does not
work, rather than it is immoral. While the power of
creating effective money has, up to the present time,
enabled banks to mask a good many of the defects of
the financial system, it has, particularly in the
last few years, failed definitely to remedy some of
the more vital of them. The financial mechanism has
acquired a considerable control over the rate and
manner of issue of money and purchasing-power, and to
a large extent, this power has become unified and
centralised so that it forms an international
organisation of the most stupendous power, but it has
to a lesser extent only, achieved control of the
other aspect of finance which is exhibited in the
form of prices.  It is true enough that widespread
efforts have been made on the part of the large Joint
Stock and International Banks to control general
price levels by increasing or decreasing the amount
of money available in the pockets of the public. But
these efforts may be said quite definitely to have
failed, or at any rate to have fallen far short of
the expectations of those who have put them into
operation.

The reasons for this failure are not far to seek. The
financial mechanism has a positive and negative
aspect, the positive aspect being represented by the
issue of money, and the negative aspect being
represented by the exchange of the money thus issued
for goods and services, through the medium of prices.
It is obvious that if money is the only claim upon
goods and services, the less money there is
available, the more goods and services each unit of
this money will command, -*if there is always a
willing seller.*- This is merely one method of
stating the well-known quantitative theory of money.
It results from this that if there were no other
factors involved, a contraction in the amount of
available money would result in a fall of prices,
since each unit would buy more goods and services.
And it is on this simple principle that, since 1920,
the banks have endeavoured to control the general
price levels, more especially in Great Britain. While
prices have not fallen from this cause to anything
like the extent that they rose under a contrary
policy, the restriction of credit which has been in
operation since 1920, did undoubtedly tend to arrest
the spectacular rise in prices which was in progress
at the time of its initiation. The reason for the
limits which are set to the reduction of general
price levels by "deflation" is simple; when prices
are reduced to approximately the equivalent of costs,
the willing seller disappears.

Even this modified success has been achieved at the
cost of widespread distress arising out of
unemployment and bankruptcy, results which must
inevitably accompany such a policy. The natural and
mathematical result of the operation of a financial
and costing system, which requires that all the
costs, or issues of purchasing-power, distributed
during the production of an article, shall eventually
be recovered in prices, is a continuous rise in the -
*cost*- of production of any article produced by a
given process. This rise can be, and is, -
*temporarily*- offset by improvements of process, but
only temporarily.

Now any attempt, by current financial methods, to
reduce prices (or even to stabilise them, as the
phrase goes) is a mathematical absurdity unless the
cost of this stabilisation, or lowering or prices, is
met from some extraneous source. Or to put the matter
another way, the margin of profit which makes it
possible for a producer to go on producing,
disappears unless the financial cost, and
consequently the price of production, is allowed to
rise steadily in relation to direct labour cost. As a
result of this, if prices are forced down, production
stops, and stocks are sold only at prices which mean
loss, and ultimately bankruptcy, to the manufacturer
and distributor.

To put the matter in a form of words which will be
useful in our further consideration of the subject, -
*the consumer cannot possibly obtain the advantage of
improved process in the form of correspondingly lower
prices, nor can he expect stable prices under
stationary processes of production, nor can he obtain
any control over the programme of production, unless
he is provided with a supply of purchasing-power
which is not included in the price of the goods
produced. If the producer or distributor sells at a
loss, this loss forms such a supply of purchasing-
power to the consumer; but if the producer and
distributor are not to sell at a loss, this supply of
purchasing-power must be derived from some other
source. There is only one source from which it can be
derived, and that is the same source which enables a
bank to lend more money than it originally received.
That is to say, the general credit.*- In spite of the
immense strides made in the direction of improved
process since 1914, prices are still nearly double
those obtaining at that date, while industrial
profits are much less.

It may now be possible to see with some degree of
clearness the difficulties in which those
institutions and organisations which control the
general credit at the present time find themselves.
It is true enough that they can manufacture "money"
to an almost unlimited extent; -*this power resting
on the general willingness of the public to accept
anything which will function as money.*- But the
psychology which has grown up on the basis of the
theory of rewards and punishments forbids the
exercise of this power, except in return for services
rendered. The financial equivalent of all services
rendered in the production of an article, forms the
cost of that article, and conversely, nobody will
furnish any services in connection with the article
which are not represented by cost, and therefore go
into price. The old fable of the Fairy Gold which
disappeared as it was grasped, can thus be seen in
its everyday embodiment; and the result of these
creations of credit granted to producers only,
instead of to consumers, is to produce a rise of
prices which nullifies the additional purchasing-
power thus created.

There is, as a result of the problems created in
Great Britain by a restriction of credit, a quite
considerable body of persons, more especially among
manufacturers, who are openly demanding a large
increase in the volume of credit to be issued to
manufacturers. It is hardly denied that such a
process would cause prices to rise, and in fact it is
frequently argued in quarters which might be expected
to know better, that a rise of prices would be an
advantage, because it would decrease the burden of
the National Debt, since the amount of money
represented by the National Debt would have a
decreased purchasing-power in goods and services.
There could hardly be a more vicious example of the
classical or static method of thought or argument.

It is true that the National Debt was created and
appropriated, by methods, subsequently to be
explained, which are indefensible from almost any
point of view, more especially as the greater part of
the Debt is held by financiers and financial
institutions. But a considerable, if minor,
proportion of the Debt has been sold to members of
the public in return for money which they obtained by
legitimate methods, and in addition to this, it is of
course impossible to reduce the purchasing-power of
the National Debt without reducing, -*pro rata*-, the
purchasing-power of other descriptions, however small
in amount, of credit-instruments held by the general
public. Now to a man who has one million pounds, it
may be a theoretical hardship or "punishment" to
reduce the purchasing-power of his one million pounds
to that of five hundred thousand pounds, but the
practical effect on his scale of life and on his
personal freedom of his movements and initiative is -
*nil.*- But to reduce the income of the man who has
two hundred pounds per annum to one hundred pounds
per annum, is the difference between simple comfort
and practical starvation. And the number of persons
who would be adversely affected by a rise of prices
is incomparably greater, so far as numbers are
concerned, than those who are hit by a fall of
prices. The appropriation of large blocks of public
credit is buccaneering, but the filching of the
widow's mite by a "gradual" rise of prices is pocket-
picking of the meanest type. It is not necessary to
condone the monopoly of Public Credit, or to
acquiesce in it, in order to agree that inflation if
the very core of the evil. There is almost nothing to
be said for a policy of deflation, as defined by the
average banker, except that it provides a breathing
space in which to consider what to do; the real
argument against it is not that it reduces prices,
but that it only does so at the expense of the
producer, but a policy of inflation, that is to say,
a policy of increasing issues of money or credit in
such a manner that it can only reach the general
public through the medium of costs, and must,
therefore, be reflected in prices, has one thing and
one thing only to be said for it at this time; that
it is absolutely and mathematically certain to reduce
any financial and economic system to ruins. It is in
fact a Capital Levy of the meanest and most one-sided
description, since it taxes the purchasing-power of
those who obtained it by work for the benefit of
those who obtain it by financial manipulation.

The condition which is produced by a policy of
restricting the amount of money in circulation can be
grasped without difficulty, if it be remembered that
it must involve a numerical decrease in both the
total figures of cost and the total figures of price
for a given period of production. The only portion of
the total costs which can be decreased without loss
to the producer are those represented by wages and
salaries, the remainder being fixed charges based on
the capital costs already being incurred. Wages and
salaries costs are purchasing-power, and collectively
are much less than collective prices. Imagine both
collective wages and collective prices to be
diminished by a equal amount -*x*-. This may be
written:

Costs = purchasing power. Costs are < prices.
Therefore costs/prices is < 1.

Therefore costs - *x*/prices - *x* is < costs/prices.

An addition to both the numerator and denominator of
the fraction, such as is brought about by a rise of
wages, accompanied by a rise in price, has, of
course, the opposite effect; it brings the ratio of
purchasing-power to prices nearer, though never to
unity, with the result, seen in Germany in the
inflation period, of immense, though unstable,
economic activity, accompanied by great hardship to
the professional and rentier classes, both of whom
have claims to consideration, and a most undesirable
concentration of economic power, resulting infallibly
in the enslavement of the artisan.

Even without demonstration, therefore, it is easy
enough to see the effect of either deflation or
inflation by the exercise of analytical methods; but
nothing of the sort is now necessary. A full-scale
demonstration of both of them has taken place since
Chapter XIII of -*Credit Power and Democracy*- was
written; and the course of events in Germany, under a
policy of reckless inflation of credit, reappearing
in prices, followed with some exactness the sequence,
both economic and psychological, which was explained
therein, and can be considered and compared with the
contemporaneous restriction of credit in Great
Britain. During a few months of 1923 a condition of
fairly steady, though high, prices was maintained at
the cost of increasing industrial stagnation; and the
fact that this situation by every effort to grapple
with the "unemployment" problem by orthodox methods,
should be conclusive proof of the inability of the
existing financial system to carry out the policy of
"Stabilisation."
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