I think this is fine list to bitch on.... Just do it in an official bitch 
thread . I was  was pleasantly surprised to see soft being included in some 
promotions. Turning a thread which was meant for positive reinforcement for 
Autodesk into this constant the sky is falling thread is where I see the 
problem lies.

If you going to bitch, at least do what I did and make the title obvious.

I was very happy to see the inclusion of Softimage  in these presentations, 
thanks AD. Of course I wish they would show it is the power house all around 
DCC app that it is, but at least they're showing it.

I don't expect Autodesk to declare us king, but I do expect to be treated 
fairly. That inclusion seem fair.

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> On Sep 30, 2013, at 6:56 PM, Raffaele Fragapane <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
> I think the point being made is that it's too frequent.
> Even a positive thread, such as the vein this was started in, becomes a bitch 
> session very quickly.
> 
> I disagree this is the place to constantly, incessantly and exclusively 
> whinge and bitch and whine. Some on key disturbances or negatives, sure, but 
> this has officially become the complaints list.
> 
> That is not why I, or many others who elect to stay silent in these regards, 
> have subscribed to it.
> 
> If the majority of people think, however, that that's how it should be used, 
> then I'm sure things will work out that way eventually, and those of us 
> who're tired of it will simply leave.
> I've had my finger on the unsubscribe email more than once at this point, and 
> I sure don't feel encourage to post when the near totality of what is going 
> on is a bunch of people asking trivial questions interspersing a crowd 
> foaming at the mouth.
> 
> Regarding the "efforts to stay positive", which I've seen mentioned by 
> several people, I can't say I'm witnessing any. When not a single e-mail is 
> positive you can't call that an honest effort to stay positive, or anything 
> else, really.
> It sounds more and more, when people mention it, like the people saying "I'm 
> not racist, BUT", and then a retarded backwater racism comment follows.
> 
> Sorry Eric, but we'll have to agree to disagree on this. I don't think think 
> this is "certainly a good place to do so". This is a mailing list for the 
> users, chiefly, so all you're doing is annoying the hell out of the few who 
> have elected to not cry over themselves the whole day as a past time, and 
> constantly rile the already angry ones into this vicious circle of bitching.
> 
> And since my participation to the mailing list seems to frequently turn to 
> whinging about the whining, and the irony isn't lost on me, that'll be all 
> from me.
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 6:43 AM, Eric Thivierge <[email protected]> 
>> wrote:
>> As a user and 3rd party developer I think it's well deserved. Even if
>> AD wasn't doing a pretty poor job at marketing (though the recent posts
>> were very nice to see as an effort being put forward), they aren't
>> doing much to inspire the 3rd party devs to continue to develop it.
>> Even Luc-Eric is doing a fair good job on si-community to scare away
>> any potential / 3rd party Softimage devs saying that he believes they
>> will dry up within a few years. Yes it's his opinion but why wouldn't
>> it carry some weight from his history / position.
>> 
>> We need a place to complain. An AD hosted mailing list is certainly a
>> good place to do so since they don't really have another decent place
>> to do so.
>> 
>> I'm trying to stay positive but it's hard to with the minimal
>> communication we're getting.
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