Very true but don't forget you are dealing with Autodesk. I think it's the other way around. What's if AD had more costs involved to launch two new applications called 'Maya with Softimage' and '3dsmax with Softimage"? Both comes with their own product keys and therefore all the licensing work. All the logistics necessary to handle two other products beside the existing Max and Maya (and Softimage). So they effectively introduced two new products to cancel the licensing work on one.
Does it make sense? I don't know. Business wise possibly yes, for a company on that scale. We can't blame a company for its effort to get existing costumers to use other products if they eol'd one. On the other hand, it's thinkable that AD would have had more success not forcing Softimage costumers to max and maya and instead leave them with a product they can be productive with and still can buy licenses for a reasonable price. A discussion about this becomes more and more academic since AD will not change their decisions by some guys on a mailing list. If AD would care about their costumers they wold not have killed the product their costumers rely on. PS: Maurice, please don't take this personal. I appreciate the information you share on the list and that there is still an AD employee paying attention to costumers on this list. sven From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jason S Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 9:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Soft licenses still available for purchase? I don't know, but I somehow find 'unfeasable' to be hard to beleive considering it's not for anything near a full blown relaunch situation or any such thing. (wonder what it involved for Mariana from Avid to manage something.. (other than a phone call) and how much does it cost to issue licences.) And I'm sure something could similarly be arranged without too much involvement, and that any cost would likely be more than offset even if original price would be reduced by some 90%. No one is asking for such a reduction, but something reasonable would be appreciated, because the price to get access to discontinued Softimage is currently quite unreasonable, like asking for the price of a new car for a used one with the justification that it comes with a boat. (A boat which most people looking for that particular car wouldn't necessarily need or want) On 09/15/15 14:43, Maurice Patel wrote: Hi Jason, This would be a great idea if possible but unfortunately it is not feasible. When we announced EOL over a year and a half ago we did have a window where it was possible to buy Softimage standalone and then really was the time to get it. This reason its not feasible is because we no longer distribute the standalone version commercially and the internal systems are no longer in place for it. The product is now retired and it would be too costly to relaunch it even in a limited capacity (certainly more costly than the current transition offering). Sorry I don’t have better news to share with you – but the bundle really is the only way you can get a new permanent license today. Maurice Maurice Patel Tél: 514 954-7134 Cell: 514 242-6549 From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jason S Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 2:11 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Soft licenses still available for purchase? Hi Maurice, Considering that likely quite a few people (very-much including myself) would like to (legally) have access to the software they have been using for many-many years without necessarily wanting or needing a licence of Maya or 3DS Max, (even if using Maya or Max, licenses are typically already supplied by studios). Nevertheless, now that we are coming close to the last chance before Feb deadline, would it be conceivable to have a short window to have Soft only purchases at what could be considered a fair price for unsupported and discontinued software? Because nearly 4k (or the standard price of fully supported/updated software) is okay (even good) if looking to get Maya anyways, but for probably the majority of people thinking of buying the bundle just to get Soft, I think it can be understandable how that price can be considered unrealistically or otherwise extraordinarily high. Perhaps not unlike how DS Studios were asking for an opportunity to upgrade without paying the price of fully supported and developped software, except in our case, most Softimage users didn't have licenses themselves. [cid:[email protected]]joeydanna: I just think its absurd for avid to ask full price for the upgrade, especially when it will only be available until the end of september. My plan was to upgrade next year. I can't really afford to right now. So basically my options are stay on 10.3 forever, or pay full price for an upgrade on a dead product, and do it much sooner then i was originally planning to. Honestly - all i really want is the upgrade to windows 7. $5,000 is a hard pill to swallow for that. It was worth it for the upgrade when the system was still being developed, and staying current mattered. $5k to upgrade a dead-end system, that will no matter what eventually have to be retired just isn't worth it. Avid: *please* think about discounting or comping 10.x owners for the 11 upgrade. If i can move to V11, i will almost certainly be maintaining and upgrading media composer on the system in the future. You would absolutely be keeping a long time customer, and I know i'm not the only one out there. ____________________________ Exactly the same here! We've got 2 DS 10.2 workstations. The main reason I'd like to upgrade now is the win7 (x64) official support. As a faithful Avid customer we already upgraded 2 times our 2 DS workstations in 5 years (including full hardware upgrade). Since Avid DS EOL, I'm wondering if Avid will offer or at least discount the 10.x to 11.1 update? ___________________ Re: DS 11 cost? Marianna <http://community.avid.com/members/Marianna/default.aspx> <http://community.avid.com/members/Marianna/default.aspx> Avid Community Administrator Anyone interested in DS 10 to 11, ping me on email. The cost is less than you think and comes with support :) Happy to get you to the right person - so let me know your region. Marianna So if a Soft only discount price would be possible (for say users on this list and on SI-Community?) , I'm quite positive that many people (including myself) would be quite greatful for an opportunity to (legally) continue using the software they have grown to love over the years and that has marked their careers. In any event, thanks very much for your consideration, Jason On 09/15/15 12:57, Maurice Patel wrote: These bundles are perpetual licenses maurice Maurice Patel Tél: 514 954-7134 Cell: 514 242-6549 From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eric Turman Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 12:23 PM To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: Soft licenses still available for purchase? Maurice, Is it still a perpetual Soft license or do you lose it when you go off of subscription? Cheers, -=Eric On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Maurice Patel <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: NP Tim, It is essentially a bundle of these two products. It is the same price as either Maya or 3ds Max standalone. It was created for the transition and offered at the same price as those products alone. I think the price is $3950 or something like that in the US (I am not sure of exact prices) Maurice Maurice Patel Tél: 514 954-7134 <tel:514%20954-7134> <tel:514%20954-7134> <tel:514%20954-7134> <tel:514%20954-7134> Cell: 514 242-6549 <tel:514%20242-6549> <tel:514%20242-6549> <tel:514%20242-6549> <tel:514%20242-6549> From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]&g t; <mailto:[email protected]> ] On Behalf Of Tim Crowson Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 11:17 AM To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: Soft licenses still available for purchase? Thanks Maurice... What type of license is that and what is the price for this? -Tim On 9/15/2015 10:08 AM, Maurice Patel wrote: Hi Tim, Yes you can purchase “Maya with Softimage” or “3ds Max with Softimage” as individual licenses. You need to contact your reseller to place a purchase order with Autodesk as the offer Is not available through the estore. Maurice Maurice Patel Tél: 514 954-7134 <tel:514%20954-7134> <tel:514%20954-7134> <tel:514%20954-7134> <tel:514%20954-7134> Cell: 514 242-6549 <tel:514%20242-6549> <tel:514%20242-6549> <tel:514%20242-6549> <tel:514%20242-6549> From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Tim Crowson Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 10:57 AM To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Soft licenses still available for purchase? A while back we were informed that Autodesk was still selling individual licenses of Softimage, but we had to go through a local reseller or something (?). 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