If Henry Ford asked people what they want for transport, they´d say: Faster horses. This is the exact analogy with using 3d softimage. I can´t ICE-Rig yet, but once I crossed the scripting part of it in the old days, it totally changed my mind. That´s the "future" Autodesk hold softimage back from all the viewers. So in "this-2016-future" they release other mimic-ICE-tools so "traditional/average" people will look ahead with all the adventages which is to create and manipulate something procedurally speaking (I´m talking -ready -preset nodes and trees).
That´s the *moment* I originally posted this thread, that people´s percieving, even though SI community had it for years. But if you ask me, it´s easier to plug nodes on an ICE tree for normalizing blendshapes than it is to add custom parameters, and wire them afterwards to drive a bunch of divots. Ask what an average user would want after seeing that kind of workflow on ICE. And BTW, some of the brightest tools we got, are ICE based....so...."average" isn´t really the guy who just uses the GUI buttons ( With all due respect, and I don´t mean to be disrespectful by saying this) I tihnk is just a lack of options... On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Jason S <[email protected]> wrote: > On Thursday, May 5, 2016 16:18:08, Olivier Jeannel wrote: > > What's the point of beeing right if you're alone ? Better be an idiot. > > Well if you were right, you would not be alone. But indeed ignorance can > be bliss. > > > On Thursday, May 5, 2016 16:18:08, Olivier Jeannel wrote: > > > > Well sorry, I was a little harsh in my previous message. > > I do struggle with arrays, but I like it. > > Ice just opened my eyes in terms of what 3d , geometry, math behave > > together. > > It just kills me that people who choose to use "this" or "that" > > software have an opinion without knowing nothing. > > And the hardest is that in the end, I'm the one beeing wrong because > > xsi just doesn't exit anymore. > > What's the point of beeing right if you're alone ? Better be an idiot. > > > > Le 5 mai 2016 21:09, "Martin" <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> a écrit : > > > > Modelers that don't have an idea of what a variable or an array > > is, animators who can't rig or script, that's what I call an > > average user. > > > > Generalists with technical knowledge (including ICE) isn't your > > average user in any package. Most of the designers I know are > > specialists who don't use or even need ICE. > > > > I consider that you can't use Maya comfortably and to its > > potential if you don't have a minimum knowledge of Mel or Python, > > but the reality is that most Maya users can't script. > > > > I'd say that besides technical people, riggers or VFX specialists, > > only generalists that are usually involved in vfx or rigging have > > a decent knowledge of ICE. > > > > I don't have numbers but I'm pretty sure most SI users don't use > > ICE directly. Personally I rarely use it at all. > > > > Most of the projects (games) I've been involved in, have been done > > with SI 2011 and previous versions so ICE wasn't very useful for > > modeling until recently when I finally get to use SI 2013 and 2014 > > and that's because I also view some technical parts of our > > projects and use ICE in some of our tools. > > > > And that's how it is in the game industry here in Japan. Sadly, it > > is very probably that SI 2015 won't be used at all. And most SI > > users won't learn ICE before learning basic Maya, or Max, or Modo, > > or any other tool that isn't EOL. > > > > Martin > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > On 2016/05/05, at 13:59, Pierre Schiller > > <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > >> > >> By average you mean "with more than 5+ years" on softimage, or > >> UNDER -5 years? Because ICE was long due before that time. > >> :) > >> > >> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 11:45 PM, Martin <[email protected] > >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> > >> But honestly, the Modo feature looks cool. I'd like to have > >> that in Maya. > >> > >> And to be fair, your average SI user doesn't know what an > >> array is, just like the average Maya, Modo, Max, etc. user. > >> > >> Martin > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> On 2016/05/05, at 1:18, Pierre Schiller > >> <[email protected] > >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> Good day. I came across this: > >>> https://vimeo.com/162972719 > >>> > >>> That´s a > >>> "Wait-a-minute-we-had-that-feature-for-years-before-in-softimage" > >>> moment. > >>> > >>> Had Softimage been exposed in such way in the past, will > >>> those features still be jaw opening to this generation > >>> users? Don´t think so. > >>> > >>> This is how much AD kept SI word silent, so now other > >>> packages will show "future". > >>> > >>> All SI users know procedural modeling has been going on for > >>> years on ICE. > >>> > >>> Dang. Another stab on the heart....IMHO. > >>> > >>> Cheers? > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Portfolio 2013 <http://be.net/3dcinetv> > >>> Cinema & TV production > >>> Video Reel <https://vimeo.com/3dcinetv/reel2012> > >>> ------ > >>> Softimage Mailing List. > >>> To unsubscribe, send a mail to > >>> [email protected] > >>> <mailto:[email protected]> with > >>> "unsubscribe" in the subject, and reply to confirm. > >> > >> > >> ------ > >> Softimage Mailing List. > >> To unsubscribe, send a mail to > >> [email protected] > >> <mailto:[email protected]> with > >> "unsubscribe" in the subject, and reply to confirm. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Portfolio 2013 <http://be.net/3dcinetv> > >> Cinema & TV production > >> Video Reel <https://vimeo.com/3dcinetv/reel2012> > >> ------ > >> Softimage Mailing List. > >> To unsubscribe, send a mail to > >> [email protected] > >> <mailto:[email protected]> with > >> "unsubscribe" in the subject, and reply to confirm. > > > > > > ------ > > Softimage Mailing List. > > To unsubscribe, send a mail to > > [email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> with > > "unsubscribe" in the subject, and reply to confirm. > > > > > > > > ------ > > Softimage Mailing List. > > To unsubscribe, send a mail to [email protected] > > with "unsubscribe" in the subject, and reply to confirm. > > > ------ > Softimage Mailing List. > To unsubscribe, send a mail to [email protected] > with "unsubscribe" in the subject, and reply to confirm. > -- Portfolio 2013 <http://be.net/3dcinetv> Cinema & TV production Video Reel <https://vimeo.com/3dcinetv/reel2012>
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