For the motion work I believe Houdini is far superior to C4D. Last C4D user I talked to told me the normals aren't exposed in Maxxon's software...
2018-05-03 15:17 GMT+02:00 Jordi Bares <[email protected]>: > Is it realistic assuming anyone at all (except someone with a brain the > size of a watermelon ;-) can come out of a 2 year course and command > Houdini in any meaningful way? I don’t think so… let alone their art, C4D > and Houdini. > > In terms of market realities and "in-house teams able to compete”, I am > not sure of that either… we are in times of both, commoditisation and > consolidation, with big companies attracting the very finest talent to the > finest projects and many agencies, production, broadcasters and others > moving into the VFX arena in the hope of a slice of the money they now > spend outside which ultimately will fulfil the simplest projects as scale > is truly challenging and therefore expensive. > > Those guys that are worth their salt will have ambitions to work with the > best, and they will leave to get better project, better money and more > fulfilling careers. > > My 2 cents of today > jb > > PS. BTW, Sky has closed their VFX unit. > > > > On 2 May 2018, at 22:26, Jonathan Moore <[email protected]> wrote: > > Unless there is a major breakthrough in education I doubt a 20 years >> experience Houdini FXTD will have his rates go down… if anything is going >> to be the total opposite. > > > We're already seeing a leveling of the playing field with junior & > middleweight motion designers. A few years back a technical artist with > both C4D and Houdini skills was able to command a good 25-50% premium. > These days it's an expectation of any technical artist hire (that their > skills cover both C4D and Houdini, and for an hourly rate equivalent to > that paid to a purely C4D technical artist a few years back). But that's as > much a case of Houdini education breaking free of FX focused Universities > such as Bournemouth (UK). These days Houdini is included as part of the mix > in some graphic and fine arts based courses such as those on offer via the > various UAL institutions (University of the Arts London). Many young > freelancers touting their trade to motion design shops don't see scripting > or programming as a barrier to creative expression; in many cases, they see > it as a useful catalyst. > > I was only joshing when I spoke about reduced hourly rates, but behind the > sarcasm was a reality of technical skills in the creative marketplace. As > Houdini becomes more accessible to generalists, the worth of specialists is > diluted. It's just the nature of things. I'm not talking FXTD's with 20 > years of experience here, but in-house creative teams at e.g the likes of > Sky or the BBC, will be able to complete projects themselves, without > having to rely on expensive freelance specialists. Generalist isn't a dirty > word in these environments, for some businesses, good quality generalists > are worth much more than specialists (not that they have the budgets to pay > them more). SideFX's efforts has made Houdini more accessible to > generalists to a certain degree, but the reality is that Houdin at the very > least requires a programmatic mindset and ideally decent scripting skills. > > Those at the tail end of their career, that came from a pure fine arts > education are at a definite disadvantage with a technical application like > Houdini. > > Softimage was unique in it's ability to offer both technical and non > technical artists uncompromised capabilities for creative expression. I'm > not certain that another single DCC will come along that offers such > uncompromised abilities to both audiences. And whilst that doesn't impact > larger pipelines too much, I'm conscious that a fair number of people on > this list run independent creative businesses (with 10 or less employees). > In the past a single DCC such as Softimage was all that was needed to be > competitive. These days I don't think a single DCC exists to cater to the > generalist needs of these types of businesses. It's more a case of working > out which pair of DCC's covers you best for the market your targeting. For > some that decision will be based purely on native capabilities, for others > plugin requirements/availability will be a core consideration too. > > On 2 May 2018 at 20:42, Laurence Dodd <[email protected]> wrote: > >> As soon as I started looking at Maya, it just made me sad, but when I >> delved into Houdini i felt quite at home and it always feels like they are >> pushing it forward. >> Also re Maya I never had that "ooh thats a good feature", but with >> Houdini its all the time, I just need to up my coding skills. >> >> On 2 May 2018 at 19:23, Jordi Bares <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> I personally don't ever see Houdini filling the Softimage void. The >>> engineering that powers the Houdini user experience very often requires a >>> totally different mindset for solving the same end goals. I think Houdini >>> fills an ICE void, but the rounded user experience of Softimage is so much >>> harder to fill. >>> >>> >>> I agree the elegant “no-frills" workflow in Softimage is not going to be >>> replicated anytime soon but there have been some truly remarkable efforts >>> to get closer while keeping Houdini true to its procedural roots (which >>> obviously is the right thing to do) >>> >>> Plus I think there are parts of the Houdini community that don't want to >>> see the user experience to become more artist friendly. If Houdini is >>> easier to drive, they might see their hourly rates drop! ;) >>> >>> >>> Unless there is a major breakthrough in education I doubt a 20 years >>> experience Houdini FXTD will have his rates go down… if anything is going >>> to be the total opposite. >>> >>> My 2 cents >>> jb >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2 May 2018 at 17:07, Laurence Dodd <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Its something I've been wondering too. I have been learning Houdini for >>>> the last year or more, and I really like it, but I am concerned I'm going >>>> to spend my working days doing vfx sims, which isn't my favourite. Houdini >>>> is still very much shoved into the vfx box. >>>> I dread the thought of being forced into Maya, stick with it and hope >>>> people start using it more generally, or start looking at C4D or something, >>>> eek. >>>> >>>> Laurence >>>> >>>> On 2 May 2018 at 11:56, David Saber <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello >>>>> >>>>> I'd like to know if Houdini is somewhere used as a generalist tool: >>>>> not only simulations and FX but also modelling , texturing, , rigging, >>>>> animation, lighting a scene, etc? >>>>> >>>>> Is there a company that uses Houdini this way? >>>>> >>>>> And if no, do you think a company will use Houdini this way someday? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>> David >>>>> >>>>> ------ Softimage Mailing List. 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