I get the feeling ,allot of those videos will be kinda like the one
where you tried ICE kinematics for the first time.
I still think that is one of the funniest things on the interwebs to date.
On 2020/02/19 20:10, Busty kelp wrote:
Hi Jonah,
If you would like I’m happy to be paid By Autodesk to learn Bifrost in
a public way!
I did that with ICE (although unpaid) and posted videos as I went,
which became very popular and I’d consider myself an ICE expert now.
People like watching other people learn as it’s more casual and less
intimidating than watching an expert go through the motions.
Paul
Sent from my iPad
On 19 Feb 2020, at 17:57, Jonah Friedman <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Chris,
I was also an avid ICE user for many years, and following that Fabric
Engine. Being exposed to ICE was a turning point in my career in fact.
I'm going to try to illustrate the difference with a simple graph
that contains very familiar pieces that I can use to highlight the
difference.This graph deforms a mesh with an f-curve on the x axis,
applied to the Y position. The green grid is before, the white is after.
<image.png>
The graph is doing familiar operations to ICE users with familiar
names: get_point_position, converting the vector into scalars,
applying an f-curve to one, and rebuilding the vector and setting the
point positions all have essentially the same names and meanings in
this graph. However the graph is different. (Note this is an internal
build, if you notice discrepancies in the screenshot).
To highlight the differences:
1. We can't just get point positions, we need to bring in a mesh
first and get positions from that. Maya does not have the operator
stack that XSI had, and so the graph is its own entity, and not a
part of the mesh. Instead, the mesh is just an input.
2. The part where we adjust the positions is operating on the
per-point array of positions. However in the graph, this is just
flowing data. Those three nodes in the center are processing the
arrays. Ports shaped like hats instead of squares signify arrays. The
graph is not operating in the context of per-point, but instead is
just processing whole arrays in one shot.
3. "set point position" needs a geometry to set point positions on.
We can't set point positions on "this", we have to set them on data
flowing in the graph, and there is no "this". The mesh is flowing
through the graph on the purple connection.
4. In the end we output the shape, and it appears in Maya as a "bif
shape". This can be converted back to Maya geometry if you like, but
is also renderable if needed. You could set up a Bifrost graph as a
more-or-less traditional Maya deformer setup, but it'd require a bit
more setup. (We're improving this too with improvements to the Maya
integration).
The fact that this mesh is flowing through the graph just like any
other kind of data, buildable and modifiable, as pure data flow is
the key difference from ICE to understand. Whole geometries can be
created in the graph in multi-stage processes. Create_mesh_sphere
outputs a sphere mesh and is programmed in the mesh, and that sphere
can be used downstream for any purpose.
---
Visualizing data: Watchpoints are not the same as the similar feature
in ICE, the debug drawing. Instead right now to do visual
diagnostics, you can use the "scope" nodes whose job it is to
visualize data. For example, see the image below of "volume_scope"
which visualizes volumes. This is working by generating strands in
the graph to visualize the tile tree boxes (left) and flowlines in
the volume (right). We're working on improving this as well.
<image.png>
To see the data in whole in numeric / text form, "dump_object" is
your best bet which sends the data to a text file. In there you can
see all the data that defines the geometries except volumes, which
are still opaque for now.
I'd also like to say it's a major concern of mine that Bifrost is not
the easiest to learn and understand. It's not something we have a
silver bullet for - some of the great things that ICE did are tricky
for us and visual programming is not the easiest thing even in the
case of ICE. We do however have multiple efforts underway to improve
the situation. One nice example that's in right now that you may or
may not have noticed - most nodes we ship with are documented in-app,
in an info tab.
<image.png>
Some other info:
Docs: https://u9432639.ct.sendgrid.net/ls/click?upn=A5uD99yDGgJFqsHo0L78rmOwSniDKlMnd1Pg9yA-2BXHyaQxEyE-2B-2Bc87uWT-2B7J28U-2BIcAEyXf-2FpSXH0cc9vrQxeQ-3D-3DGHvb_x9fWPgxQbfi69QJnHJqUKZsAJHrwlN1lgOIh62WX2fT29LG2dXodm2437aPPMWe1FETaWFZwYKqfNw4moQMSV5eIT7-2FKcKgsmoIn1jmoKrdrjA4quhRbwxsClPUMW7lsXlGJI6QqZqSZhYbJDHhaxKu6M8yBzX-2FqKcedGLcKnDUoOKPyUgXrj2biCnf90z5DY7smB1m0Ho3tHhL2SroQ4KtLmal6VHGQ1MMrbBXncskEzHZapqeQ-2F5S6CTc74ILD
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Release notes from our last release, released yesterday:
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Tutorials by Matt Chan:
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On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 3:29 PM Chris Marshall
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Oh Hi Jonah,
Well ok as I’ve been quite a fan of ice, and it took me a while
to warm to it but I can totally see it’s logic, all I’m seeing so
far with Bifrost graph are limitations, compared to Ice. So
putting all that to one side, I’m happy to start looking at it
again afresh. What would help is a document that describes, with
simple examples, what the structural differences are between the
two systems and how bifrost graph is so open and powerful. ICE
was / is a very comprehensive and what I’d describe as a mega
flexible system, once you know what you’re doing. Some would
probably argue it was too flexible for artists as it required
some coding logic to really push it.
To be honest, with Bifrost graph I’ve dipped in a few times and
got nowhere. A basic fundamental description of how the system is
supposed to used would help, and why this might be different to ICE.
Thanks
Chris
On Tuesday, 18 February 2020, Jonah Friedman <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi Chris, I'm the Product Owner of the Bifrost graph. I'd be
happy to answer any questions about it. What specifically are
you trying to do?
The graph is different from ICE in several ways, but it's
very open and very powerful.
On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 4:16 AM Chris Marshall
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
OK So is Bifrost graph years away from getting close to
ICE or am I missing something?
I really am trying to figure it out, but either I'm doing
something wrong or it's very very limited.
Anyone got anywhere with it?
Thanks
Chris
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