Videos from Paul might actually convince me to take a look at Maya. I loved the ICE videos!
On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 12:18 PM Gerbrand Nel <[email protected]> wrote: > I get the feeling ,allot of those videos will be kinda like the one where > you tried ICE kinematics for the first time. > > I still think that is one of the funniest things on the interwebs to date. > On 2020/02/19 20:10, Busty kelp wrote: > > Hi Jonah, > > If you would like I’m happy to be paid By Autodesk to learn Bifrost in a > public way! > > I did that with ICE (although unpaid) and posted videos as I went, which > became very popular and I’d consider myself an ICE expert now. > People like watching other people learn as it’s more casual and less > intimidating than watching an expert go through the motions. > > Paul > > Sent from my iPad > > On 19 Feb 2020, at 17:57, Jonah Friedman <[email protected]> > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi Chris, > > I was also an avid ICE user for many years, and following that Fabric > Engine. Being exposed to ICE was a turning point in my career in fact. > > I'm going to try to illustrate the difference with a simple graph that > contains very familiar pieces that I can use to highlight the > difference.This graph deforms a mesh with an f-curve on the x axis, applied > to the Y position. The green grid is before, the white is after. > > <image.png> > > > The graph is doing familiar operations to ICE users with familiar names: > get_point_position, converting the vector into scalars, applying an f-curve > to one, and rebuilding the vector and setting the point positions all have > essentially the same names and meanings in this graph. However the graph is > different. (Note this is an internal build, if you notice discrepancies in > the screenshot). > > To highlight the differences: > > 1. We can't just get point positions, we need to bring in a mesh first and > get positions from that. Maya does not have the operator stack that XSI > had, and so the graph is its own entity, and not a part of the mesh. > Instead, the mesh is just an input. > > 2. The part where we adjust the positions is operating on the per-point > array of positions. However in the graph, this is just flowing data. Those > three nodes in the center are processing the arrays. Ports shaped like hats > instead of squares signify arrays. The graph is not operating in the > context of per-point, but instead is just processing whole arrays in one > shot. > > 3. "set point position" needs a geometry to set point positions on. We > can't set point positions on "this", we have to set them on data flowing in > the graph, and there is no "this". The mesh is flowing through the graph on > the purple connection. > > 4. In the end we output the shape, and it appears in Maya as a "bif > shape". This can be converted back to Maya geometry if you like, but is > also renderable if needed. You could set up a Bifrost graph as a > more-or-less traditional Maya deformer setup, but it'd require a bit more > setup. (We're improving this too with improvements to the Maya > integration). > > The fact that this mesh is flowing through the graph just like any other > kind of data, buildable and modifiable, as pure data flow is the key > difference from ICE to understand. Whole geometries can be created in the > graph in multi-stage processes. Create_mesh_sphere outputs a sphere mesh > and is programmed in the mesh, and that sphere can be used downstream for > any purpose. > > --- > > Visualizing data: Watchpoints are not the same as the similar feature in > ICE, the debug drawing. Instead right now to do visual diagnostics, you can > use the "scope" nodes whose job it is to visualize data. For example, see > the image below of "volume_scope" which visualizes volumes. This is working > by generating strands in the graph to visualize the tile tree boxes (left) > and flowlines in the volume (right). We're working on improving this as > well. > > <image.png> > > > To see the data in whole in numeric / text form, "dump_object" is your > best bet which sends the data to a text file. In there you can see all the > data that defines the geometries except volumes, which are still opaque for > now. > > I'd also like to say it's a major concern of mine that Bifrost is not the > easiest to learn and understand. It's not something we have a silver bullet > for - some of the great things that ICE did are tricky for us and visual > programming is not the easiest thing even in the case of ICE. We do however > have multiple efforts underway to improve the situation. One nice example > that's in right now that you may or may not have noticed - most nodes we > ship with are documented in-app, in an info tab. > > <image.png> > > > Some other info: > > Docs: > https://u9432639.ct.sendgrid.net/ls/click?upn=A5uD99yDGgJFqsHo0L78rmOwSniDKlMnd1Pg9yA-2BXHyaQxEyE-2B-2Bc87uWT-2B7J28U-2BKD66UDPyRLB5thkwKYg-2FjA-3D-3DRlM-_x9fWPgxQbfi69QJnHJqUKZsAJHrwlN1lgOIh62WX2fRsqB67xZK5huGueZ3mxAJgrzfF5KWAEOwWmDXUdAN4RZVU9iT7r9L4JDq83CIUZ0-2BPUQqYEPTppn5u2qTOGOp8rAzHZum4obkr0XHs9RCd2w9HK3Y2DTKoLZqSkFboirlc0LRRxfooSN5qeKeFrF02US1GDBkWnDWZnFm1hw4TyCabKmEytyyQSsom6ne9lr-2B3wygNO5oyoJvPSBrb-2FzE-2B > 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> > > > On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 3:29 PM Chris Marshall <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Oh Hi Jonah, >> Well ok as I’ve been quite a fan of ice, and it took me a while to warm >> to it but I can totally see it’s logic, all I’m seeing so far with Bifrost >> graph are limitations, compared to Ice. So putting all that to one side, >> I’m happy to start looking at it again afresh. What would help is a >> document that describes, with simple examples, what the structural >> differences are between the two systems and how bifrost graph is so open >> and powerful. ICE was / is a very comprehensive and what I’d describe as a >> mega flexible system, once you know what you’re doing. Some would probably >> argue it was too flexible for artists as it required some coding logic to >> really push it. >> To be honest, with Bifrost graph I’ve dipped in a few times and got >> nowhere. A basic fundamental description of how the system is supposed to >> used would help, and why this might be different to ICE. >> >> Thanks >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, 18 February 2020, Jonah Friedman <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Chris, I'm the Product Owner of the Bifrost graph. I'd be happy to >>> answer any questions about it. What specifically are you trying to do? >>> >>> The graph is different from ICE in several ways, but it's very open and >>> very powerful. >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 4:16 AM Chris Marshall < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> OK So is Bifrost graph years away from getting close to ICE or am I >>>> missing something? >>>> I really am trying to figure it out, but either I'm doing something >>>> wrong or it's very very limited. >>>> Anyone got anywhere with it? >>>> Thanks >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> ------ >>>> Softimage Mailing List. >>>> To unsubscribe, send a mail to [email protected] >>>> with "unsubscribe" in the subject, and reply to confirm. >>>> >>> >> >> -- >> Chris Marshall >> Mint Motion Limited >> 029 20 37 27 57 >> 07730 533 115 >> 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