Nobody of you tried Houdini ? Le jeu. 20 févr. 2020 à 16:12, adrian wyer <[email protected]> a écrit :
> i second that, i'd be more inclined to dip into bifrost if i could watch > Paul learning it on my behalf! > > > > a > > > > Adrian Wyer > Fluid Pictures > 4th Floor > 4 Bath Place > Rivington Street > London > EC2A 3DR > ++44(0) 207 684 5575 > > > [email protected] > > https://u9432639.ct.sendgrid.net/ls/click?upn=A5uD99yDGgJFqsHo0L78rjo3fW-2BI05z8hPddj-2BYSrjut8V8Kr3SyUl8pLj-2FCGT-2FDPGdYFuSQLHhkvggY1PfxbYb2LbYr6z5yEnhZdkDpfSDM4OsBwbSSsuCkvLBvsLJdg5v1uQDukmc9Qb7ECyQzahJ9jLV-2FDOqVjHQnJvNgLj2l4Bat-2FI8T5VQGu9mksEvru-2F-2FbtiVN1v76Qyvrr27bAYuz6hj1ALyBJpBZUYduy3N-2FMYOvYwkcSGPh4n2hZHtJb37t2Eeya7b73d-2FOFK4PMWXBzlqfHH6R-2F2Ehz-2Bvd5-2FyZlWLq-2BPGyIRspwARMC-2BRBDTlntHx0V-2FMlFz7t29Vu8oZYQG-2BXVSZJZTlyFIRjpLNhI3m6VtK7UAojm5RWUBM9iQGX_x9fWPgxQbfi69QJnHJqUKZsAJHrwlN1lgOIh62WX2fR3-2BCGDugE7NOpSiaAqlcJOGDEXlcahLe0Apv5QtNHYq8ALtC2vG-2BpB4a-2Bd90YmKWrm-2BhlV91p4pCUxT3Q1KTRfiCdgWPUKT3SFpH6RSKDy62nOnwwQSDwuiEbzeTUBHbH9TAxSyoxef4Efa9-2BTW8RvhDHWkgv-2BXZg-2F5j28ITFU0BnV9y2ltNMB4GJkdZFFNkMXPUk4tjba36KKUk9niGIM > > > > > Fluid Pictures Limited is registered in England and Wales. > Company number:5657815 > VAT number: 872 6893 71 > ------------------------------ > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Thomas Volkmann > *Sent:* 20 February 2020 11:41 > *To:* Official Softimage Users Mailing List. > https://u9432639.ct.sendgrid.net/ls/click?upn=A5uD99yDGgJFqsHo0L78rjo3fW-2BI05z8hPddj-2BYSrjut8V8Kr3SyUl8pLj-2FCGT-2FDhxNh9a-2B87fHsQzXGv8Z96f6mCYq4LnbYGm0CnG0VhKkoPOlH1i65L7uusvYX29FBW1E5Fbt4zIDiv31Gl3tCPY9OhPc88qeP2gNYzOXnnzB3FVNAPzUrtN-2BzEghymRk2sSrXRWJUad1U5lnS-2FD3IKM-2BojGZoBlhf1sr1vtKy0S8LUFa7bb68OOW7wGiO-2BDVEW93ThOd3V-2F49yRtaCqybKotWOwkfClG4UmEP3h-2FYYxfv0lACTFnbJZUtPSUzwKnhu3Jbk3QJFofOYpNUdzhjtR4FRBQCryKsRdJVnuJNsgsAV-2BSkEsxxPFOIiIfValiJfntmxmG-2F7jOM4Ffy5U-2FK4g-3D-3D_3BG_x9fWPgxQbfi69QJnHJqUKZsAJHrwlN1lgOIh62WX2fR3-2BCGDugE7NOpSiaAqlcJOGDEXlcahLe0Apv5QtNHYq4q0bzP5Frv80WXuSxDiWTGClkNfQrAwhWr4VjnzoF-2FwqO7vF4PWI-2BA1ZtLx9saEXfkuWgdKx8cHpn2zCBbrH68v6SJaPiuqTn5j7hiPVKaKMDvcP43uOy-2BEcIBXoAwn9TMML7UcxSqDHzWzKuJdrgvJuHa7r6aU7c-2BJXWLOT07z > > <https://u9432639.ct.sendgrid.net/ls/click?upn=A5uD99yDGgJFqsHo0L78rjo3fW-2BI05z8hPddj-2BYSrjut8V8Kr3SyUl8pLj-2FCGT-2FDLSRVI-2BJtA9WEfSslUfvcKBeq39MM4UMlr8qjXGeMzyr5eAItyf4Oswqj13ZSv0cLHuzjn15e9cCpEDuWPypLX5rk3XswSPY7xwhJo-2F-2BGiTa9A7vzluNJre-2FXSZcqIp3Rf9Wi6Ac5vQF1My2TGVmPNwV66ZOEDDFbHB3C30xnZAyiTe15sWUjPYkXp1VQ4WGwqX638JLcxeVhFTTYABOFp84KFuZTzynZP3oBp8-2F9HhwkheDIKBc2o2j9jL4YMwKNi1OyZTe7fVsk3pAMWaFnqhDUyyblcB0JgQR6LCnnSpDfHyhSv-2BKIUA-2FEbrZuByPi4SuJUpU2vYBs1Erk6SzMZPobzArkTBPke8QJzdbxEwD1aTk01C-2Fmb8ArzdnC-2BgUAjRwEGhpAYwomc93lEcQwds8Yor1hWBudaC9HrFRfCI6CS6RD-2B925sMAHFCIjvZgRnfv5vg90-2FpaM3MScfK5IAy0vElTYuOfyijKGQAWaXb1OsbH0rErdce68Y-2FSdAwLllR2LimdUkltIAmcqeIsM-2FPvbPItOL3Mp5CTjC4pn6a5xsQ-2BCSAxH58u3CryN-2B4uKE617fWUgwupE-2F1ugrwrZ781vbiL3eMGq3LtyyNXLJuRS2yVedHRVvXupp-2BtURmvFMX9dqgLaWj-2FfnS9ex4Qv4jTzT0aAfPUnNFf0unltXMCmGhN0XKntGlsWoUDRb1jYYl60AhNuu4y68FrIFlZN-2BBBXlj-2FjQCODjU7KVEC6rwoJp-2FDkb3px-2FBA8hPh1MTLo-2B57GTnR9eSfsyvCvum9rwAvxvoBLhxIP6yEPwm5R0QnDOhJPw6mbl2BjfWsriuMYzAlyC9kzIAljlN2-2BQyC8vtu4A45zIp5P4dyKcYHnKsQAfTeDBmzCE-2FF1wxmLyeGoa2DNDMH8pyPBw6WGAVgo5-2Fo7yNNcqou3fJ9-2F3FzbdeInCZ0hhdvnovTyfkVHo8BIb9cVjR-2BWWx2IkSyvxY-2BMIw0fsMpggo-2FI5vOSB1-2Fg745BxhvhH3wJqUXFPOv-2BLYxh-2BKTFnjME5Iity8k08Jif35VlV-2BmxPcNSs4BBW0TJnfy2o83ebuhQoybP1a7AA6sxevKehojMsypDhw083bZZxCbs3O3Z81WbhkLhTARx0d93JhteT-2FIYjo7OWFFT-2BgR6Hg0PDX04E0Z5XPVbmqs3PwqQbqOGpna7-2BINOzU0zyjTbxUQqjOxwzM5vKVePSnr5mvw6bvm9hP8Y8u58TNBPhWr5A9LI-2B0-2BPz8H1VRUZu9lYWWC7xaf3ASuMD7Ae8SCOVraQmAHIbqmCvGu7UzqYrgNpXGJdmcFEmxM7l54tbHMnQbg5Gt0ZczWGqyMnDHIuhWfGvQFfOQytBhjxgQgY9w-3D-3Dvf9g_x9fWPgxQbfi69QJnHJqUKZsAJHrwlN1lgOIh62WX2fR3-2BCGDugE7NOpSiaAqlcJOGDEXlcahLe0Apv5QtNHYq7UIquhnsMIjW-2FhWE0OKLCZJWSqEgBwuVnv7HyUIsKRZSBsKKqbznAAF5037-2BSyYyovNSPZVsiLYaaTgN4uwG-2FqbgXMu8Nv7iYbFsqY0OApQmse-2F7pIrTs0hvL3Mj8sD6cpSb1t-2BqG2UqFLd9S09VFSEFzp5BpITGD8M30m-2BzaCK > > > *Subject:* Re: Bifrost graph - Really trying but it's not happening > > > > Videos from Paul might actually convince me to take a look at Maya. I > loved the ICE videos! > > > > On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 12:18 PM Gerbrand Nel <[email protected]> wrote: > > I get the feeling ,allot of those videos will be kinda like the one where > you tried ICE kinematics for the first time. > > I still think that is one of the funniest things on the interwebs to date. > > On 2020/02/19 20:10, Busty kelp wrote: > > Hi Jonah, > > > > If you would like I’m happy to be paid By Autodesk to learn Bifrost in a > public way! > > > > I did that with ICE (although unpaid) and posted videos as I went, which > became very popular and I’d consider myself an ICE expert now. > > People like watching other people learn as it’s more casual and less > intimidating than watching an expert go through the motions. > > > > Paul > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On 19 Feb 2020, at 17:57, Jonah Friedman <[email protected]> > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hi Chris, > > > > I was also an avid ICE user for many years, and following that Fabric > Engine. Being exposed to ICE was a turning point in my career in fact. > > > > I'm going to try to illustrate the difference with a simple graph that > contains very familiar pieces that I can use to highlight the > difference.This graph deforms a mesh with an f-curve on the x axis, applied > to the Y position. The green grid is before, the white is after. > > > > <image.png> > > > > > > The graph is doing familiar operations to ICE users with familiar names: > get_point_position, converting the vector into scalars, applying an f-curve > to one, and rebuilding the vector and setting the point positions all have > essentially the same names and meanings in this graph. However the graph is > different. (Note this is an internal build, if you notice discrepancies in > the screenshot). > > > > To highlight the differences: > > > > 1. We can't just get point positions, we need to bring in a mesh first and > get positions from that. Maya does not have the operator stack that XSI > had, and so the graph is its own entity, and not a part of the mesh. > Instead, the mesh is just an input. > > > > 2. The part where we adjust the positions is operating on the per-point > array of positions. However in the graph, this is just flowing data. Those > three nodes in the center are processing the arrays. Ports shaped like hats > instead of squares signify arrays. The graph is not operating in the > context of per-point, but instead is just processing whole arrays in one > shot. > > > > 3. "set point position" needs a geometry to set point positions on. We > can't set point positions on "this", we have to set them on data flowing in > the graph, and there is no "this". The mesh is flowing through the graph on > the purple connection. > > > > 4. In the end we output the shape, and it appears in Maya as a "bif > shape". This can be converted back to Maya geometry if you like, but is > also renderable if needed. You could set up a Bifrost graph as a > more-or-less traditional Maya deformer setup, but it'd require a bit more > setup. (We're improving this too with improvements to the Maya > integration). > > > > The fact that this mesh is flowing through the graph just like any other > kind of data, buildable and modifiable, as pure data flow is the key > difference from ICE to understand. Whole geometries can be created in the > graph in multi-stage processes. Create_mesh_sphere outputs a sphere mesh > and is programmed in the mesh, and that sphere can be used downstream for > any purpose. > > > > --- > > > > Visualizing data: Watchpoints are not the same as the similar feature in > ICE, the debug drawing. Instead right now to do visual diagnostics, you can > use the "scope" nodes whose job it is to visualize data. For example, see > the image below of "volume_scope" which visualizes volumes. This is working > by generating strands in the graph to visualize the tile tree boxes (left) > and flowlines in the volume (right). We're working on improving this as > well. > > > > <image.png> > > > > > > To see the data in whole in numeric / text form, "dump_object" is your > best bet which sends the data to a text file. In there you can see all the > data that defines the geometries except volumes, which are still opaque for > now. > > > > I'd also like to say it's a major concern of mine that Bifrost is not the > easiest to learn and understand. It's not something we have a silver bullet > for - some of the great things that ICE did are tricky for us and visual > programming is not the easiest thing even in the case of ICE. We do however > have multiple efforts underway to improve the situation. One nice example > that's in right now that you may or may not have noticed - most nodes we > ship with are documented in-app, in an info tab. > > > > <image.png> > > > > > > Some other info: > > > > Docs: > https://u9432639.ct.sendgrid.net/ls/click?upn=A5uD99yDGgJFqsHo0L78rmOwSniDKlMnd1Pg9yA-2BXHyaQxEyE-2B-2Bc87uWT-2B7J28U-2BKD66UDPyRLB5thkwKYg-2FjA-3D-3DaLpI_x9fWPgxQbfi69QJnHJqUKZsAJHrwlN1lgOIh62WX2fR3-2BCGDugE7NOpSiaAqlcJOGDEXlcahLe0Apv5QtNHYq-2FeU6UDMI-2FSyVmfpgRW8JF05RJ9nfT5PKVhfS4kOkFyzdDRJo-2BvmzGfd-2FB-2FxPMP4rdZXFE3ggfNpBlsFSSgDgko4r9iS7b4YneUHu4-2BbszME4HnuSnBaRArF98ny9ntrBiDvucGPHxt7TDVgDMkZwBPbBzNZtbxayLYtu529gkec > 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> > > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 3:29 PM Chris Marshall <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Oh Hi Jonah, > > Well ok as I’ve been quite a fan of ice, and it took me a while to warm to > it but I can totally see it’s logic, all I’m seeing so far with Bifrost > graph are limitations, compared to Ice. So putting all that to one side, > I’m happy to start looking at it again afresh. What would help is a > document that describes, with simple examples, what the structural > differences are between the two systems and how bifrost graph is so open > and powerful. ICE was / is a very comprehensive and what I’d describe as a > mega flexible system, once you know what you’re doing. Some would probably > argue it was too flexible for artists as it required some coding logic to > really push it. > > To be honest, with Bifrost graph I’ve dipped in a few times and got > nowhere. A basic fundamental description of how the system is supposed to > used would help, and why this might be different to ICE. > > > > Thanks > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, 18 February 2020, Jonah Friedman <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Chris, I'm the Product Owner of the Bifrost graph. I'd be happy to > answer any questions about it. What specifically are you trying to do? > > > > The graph is different from ICE in several ways, but it's very open and > very powerful. > > > > On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 4:16 AM Chris Marshall <[email protected]> > wrote: > > OK So is Bifrost graph years away from getting close to ICE or am I > missing something? > > I really am trying to figure it out, but either I'm doing something wrong > or it's very very limited. > > Anyone got anywhere with it? > > Thanks > > Chris > > > > ------ > Softimage Mailing List. > To unsubscribe, send a mail to [email protected] > with "unsubscribe" in the subject, and reply to confirm. > > > > -- > > Chris Marshall > > Mint Motion Limited > > 029 20 37 27 57 > > 07730 533 115 > > 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