Seems you already have you're own opinion about Houdini !
If Softimage ICE was in a separate app I bet you wouldn't use it so much.
Same goes if you choose to use Houdini and keep Softimage...  too
cumbersome !
Houdini extrude = same click count than XSI ;-)

On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 at 01:56, J R Sanchez <[email protected]> wrote:

> I don't want to have to do 100 clicks to extrude a face with procedural
> modeling. Even Maya modeling tools are better than Houdini's.  There may be
> some limited circumstances where procedural modeling is cool but not many.
> https://u9432639.ct.sendgrid.net/ls/click?upn=A5uD99yDGgJFqsHo0L78rjo3fW-2BI05z8hPddj-2BYSrjut8V8Kr3SyUl8pLj-2FCGT-2FDk0UrpzXAK69iEJrgCwoTDS0qgcpmWI-2FuJ79jVYaio-2BLsYsmeoM-2FgLSyxFARBEEI3tSi0lLFq-2BPE9QMvU-2FfRO4rG7m024ucQzFqwz-2BsRmPMdQaVXtIhmF5X6Xx29AAmfellv9XwhRL9lEA3eMFTKkJp7HtcS5X-2BiF8tSiVmXYbKHBxdyqtrGLgMXLzhA-2Byp6mPwx62s94Z1P-2FrZ-2BRofVowdj93GWV2liJwf1Ak9co5CLha9UeN00jfDwv1ps7qDAi9hQsvK4sQJJ60j8IDALX7dOwAyDTHdPCvGeFFdslpIrTDrgtH-2BmFtLihaBVr6J6SVQH9_x9fWPgxQbfi69QJnHJqUKZsAJHrwlN1lgOIh62WX2fTj81zXUQXFhW0epxbay8AnA53WiJ72XucsgZTFvJ9PZPgnytotdjhw-2FTaft1BCeJnMgcVpuoQ1E1ZbpUNmLjAdaIk-2BI60KY0oqWuB7FFV9WaSmMTaHHIEun3ym9s7vtG717lCssu5rQ47nqy9LOwDdAjQsYKGjXUAYv2-2BUYnT3t8saQ0JRWapAQ69AUIFKDgo-3D
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> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 7:51 PM Tenshi <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> The guy is looking for a workflow in Softimage/Houdini bcs he loves xsi.
>>
>> I'm interested in that workflow too. Don't want to switch.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 20:39 javier gonzalez <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My advice just jump to houdini complete, let it go.
>>>
>>> El lun., 20 de abril de 2020 18:02, J R Sanchez <
>>> [email protected]> escribió:
>>>
>>>> So I am a little late to get on the Houdini Bandwagon. Great for FX but
>>>> wouldn't use it for modelling etc.   I am wondering how many are using both
>>>> Softimage and Houdini?  I am wondering what your workflow is.  It seems to
>>>> be a chore to get Houdini VDB files into Softimage. Alembic import keeps
>>>> crashing XSI. I can bring in ROP FBX but textures dont seem to come in.
>>>> Its pretty simple in Maya.  I would rather use XSI but I can use Maya if I
>>>> have to.  I am just wondering if there is a simpler workflow I am missing.
>>>> I am fairly new to Houdini but really like the procedural ICE workflow and
>>>> the presets they have to get started on effects.
>>>>
>>>> https://u9432639.ct.sendgrid.net/ls/click?upn=A5uD99yDGgJFqsHo0L78rjo3fW-2BI05z8hPddj-2BYSrjut8V8Kr3SyUl8pLj-2FCGT-2FDk0UrpzXAK69iEJrgCwoTDS0qgcpmWI-2FuJ79jVYaio-2BLsYsmeoM-2FgLSyxFARBEEI3tSi0lLFq-2BPE9QMvU-2FfRO4rG7m024ucQzFqwz-2BsRmPMdQaVXtIhmF5X6Xx29AAmfellv9XwhRL9lEA3eMFTKkJp7HtcS5X-2BiF8tSiVmXYbKHBxdyqtrGLgMXLzhA-2Byp6mPwx62s94Z1P-2FrZ-2BRofVowdj93GWV2liJwf1Ak9co5CLha9UeN00jfDwv1ps7qDAi9hQsvK4sQJJ60j8IDALX7dOwAyDTHdPCvGeFFdslpIrTDrgtH-2BmFtLihaBVr6J6S3fsU_x9fWPgxQbfi69QJnHJqUKZsAJHrwlN1lgOIh62WX2fTj81zXUQXFhW0epxbay8AnA53WiJ72XucsgZTFvJ9PZMy9cSdXPACGjBLg4ss58ADZaccDEpgCm2z941nkGRPzximuQwJb2kHwm-2BqlWAD-2FQ2IjZjwEG-2BXe6o9r8Emvzo-2BMdaXgm8JQtkFiVlkwdzge-2FEhhs7IJ6gycgo1yYFr3RmFCS1I3Rr-2F7UKQKAQNfBbo-3D
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